slacko-700 rc3

[rcrsn51]

I've just tried to read a fairly full data CD made on a Windows laptop (someone else's, Windows version unknown).
The CD would show as a desktop icon with slacko6999 but would not mount by clicking or with pmount.
Pburn's Disk-info-Tool said it was a blank CD.

Is this the situation where the CD was burned in Windows with the UDF filesystem instead of ISO 9660?

Try mounting it with

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mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom

[davids45]

G'day zigbert and rcrsn51,

Here are the results of trying your suggestions.

Hoping these responses are helpful in the "wider world" (beyond my world).

Thanks to both of you for your assistance.

David S.

[ozsouth]

Minor bug - Slacko64-6999-all versions - browsers won't open .swf.
Tried diff browsers/flashplugins/laptops - asks to open with defaultmediaplayer.
OK in earlier pups with all combos tried above. Otherwise very good - especially k4.4.

[rcrsn51]

@davids45:

Run "probepart". Does it see the disk as UDF?

Run "guess_fstype /dev/sr0". What does it see?

[prehistoric]

...
With all due respect, if your machine has this kind of basic hardware problem, your test reports cannot carry much weight.

What's bugging me is why the problem does not turn up on this machine with Puppy 4.3.1 or Tahrpup 6.0.5. I was quite willing to blame the hardware before I tried those.

(I expect the booting problem will disappear when I replace the coin cell battery. Once the OS boots it should take over anyway, even if the BIOS was messed up.)

I'll have some other old machines to compare this weekend. Maybe I'll get a better clue.

[gyro]

I think this is the one it is talking about:
lib/modules/4.4.70/kernel/drivers/hid/i2c-hid/i2c-hid.ko

Could this be causing the save wifi issue in Slacko 32bit???????

No.
That's just a facility called "initmodules" loading a module that is most likely needed by your keyboard, in case the save layer processing requires input from the keyboard.

gyro

[01micko]

Tried a bit slacko64 on my MacBook
To begin with here is the Broadcom wl wifi driver, as b43 does not work on Macs
It also needed to force the "uxa" AccelMethod for the intel driver and disable some pesky gpe interrupts that flood the CPU.
One think I could not manage is to get it detect the touchpad properly or even just load the synaptics driver. Not sure if it is Xserver, udev or kernel. I should just point out that Mint handles it perfectly and fd710 adequately. Slacko's is unusable really (cmon Mick, I know you have a macbook at home )

One other thing. Cryptsetup is not in the main sfs so the LUKS encryption option is not offered at shutdown.
I also compiled the broadcom facetime camera driver but although is loaded fine and activates the camera is giving no image and a lot of GPU complains. If anyone wants to take a further look let me know so I upload the pet (or try it yourself compiling from source)

That's it for Pup MacSlack

Actually working really well on my wife's macbook air (~2012/13) with k4.9.30 - however I made a hack to rc.sysinit similar to the 'ISITANXO' routine. I'll attach a patch if you wanna try it. Just apply it, save and reboot. Touch pad works flawlessly, 2 finger light tap gives middle click, 2 finger heavy tap gives right click, 2 finger swipe down and scrolling works.

Have you tried the bcrmsmac driver for wifi? Works here and also worked in the wife's old mackbook (2009) which is since long dead. I'm guessing you have a pro though? Maybe a different broadcom chip?

crypsetup will be added.

[zigbert]

Try mounting it with

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mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom

So, I can fix pBurn to mount UDF-discs, but it doesn't help the essential issue - to mount it by clicking on disc-icon on desktop. Is this a bug in mount, or do we have to add an extra check-routine in pmount and pup_event?

[Sailor Enceladus]

A minor thing I noticed (in slacko-6.9.9.9-k3.16-4G-FF-ABI.iso): If you right-click a link in Hexchat, both the "Open Link in Browser" and "Open Link in Puppy Browser" don't do anything. I believe this issue was also in Slacko 6.3 and patched in 6.3.2 (or something like that) by changing "Open Link in Puppy Browser" to something else, or maybe I'm thinking of XChat.

In Rox, with the flat theme, I thought "Select All" looked a little too similar "Show Extra Details", I clicked "Select All" by accident like 10 times (because it was closer to my eyes) until learning not to press that icon. It's "change to home directory" icon almost looks like just a brown up triangle (original theme) but if I look at it very closely I can see the bottom of the house.

[mavrothal]

Actually working really well on my wife's macbook air (~2012/13) with k4.9.30 - however I made a hack to rc.sysinit similar to the 'ISITANXO' routine. I'll attach a patch if you wanna try it. Just apply it, save and reboot. Touch pad works flawlessly, 2 finger light tap gives middle click, 2 finger heavy tap gives right click, 2 finger swipe down and scrolling works.

Have you tried the bcrmsmac driver for wifi? Works here and also worked in the wife's old mackbook (2009) which is since long dead. I'm guessing you have a pro though? Maybe a different broadcom chip?

Yeap. The patch worked. Rerunning udev did the job.
Did not specifically tested bcrmsmac. After default failed I went for wl. In retrospect, ISITAMAC mau also trigger --subsystem-match="net" (originally was also used for the XO)
Any lack with battery? powerapplet_tray exits with "1" although /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 has all the info. vattery maybe instead?

Latter: bcrmsmac does not work with or w/o blacklisting b43 or adding --subsystem-match="net" .
Still no batter with --subsystem-match="power_supply".

[slenkar]

have you tried to build nodejs on this os?

it says stddef.h is missing.

On the positive side:
On puppy, for some reason, the ralink wireless driver seems to work a lot better than it does on Ubuntu and Debian,
Dont know why.

I was able to compile and run fuse-emulator latest version which is good, and just discovered that Opera allows you 'pop out' youtube videos so you can watch it while doing something else....and it's debug console is exactly the same as chrome, which is nice.

EDIT- I compiled and ran fuse-emulator before I saved the state of puppy onto the hard drive (as it is frugal)
but when I restart now it is saying fuse-emulator needs libgcrypt.so.20 to run.
This is what the older version of slacko was saying.
libgcrypt20 isnt present in the repository and trying to build libgcrypt leads to dependency hell.

[josepinto]

Hi,
I used the included browser installer to create Opera 46 sfs but it does not run after loading the sfs.
Opera 45 worked ok.
I did not tested Chrome or Vivaldi.
Thanks in advance,

José Pinto

[Billtoo]

I installed a 6.9.9.9 build that came from a fresh install of woof-CE
testing branch (june 25th)

VIDEO REPORT: Slacko Puppy, version 6.9.9.9

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 3840x1080
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe
Drivers requested to be loaded: nvidia

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): nvidia
Loaded modules: dbe dri2 fb glx kbd mouse ramdac wfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 3840x1080 pixels (1049x292 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

PUPMODE=12
PDEV1='sda1'
DEV1FS='ext4'
PUPSFS='sda1,ext4,/slacko-6999/puppy_slacko_6.9.9.9.sfs'
PUPSAVE='sda1,ext4,/slacko-6999/slackosave-jun26'
PMEDIA='atahd'

Pupmode 12 installs work fine, Pupmode 13 installs lose sound after
installing some software with PPM (kodi for one). get the same result
on different computers,graphics cards, etc.

[OscarTalks]

I used the included browser installer to create Opera 46 sfs but it does not run after loading the sfs.
Opera 45 worked ok.
I did not tested Chrome or Vivaldi.
Thanks in advance

Vivaldi 1.10 is 64bit only and requires GTK+3
I believe the same applies to Opera 46

[gyro]

01micko,

I did some testing of my video problem, GPU hangs until set "XUA".
I notied that LxPupSc 17.06.22 does not have this probelm, so I tried using it's 4.11.5 kernel with slacko, but that did not fix the problem.
I then noticed that slacko has "X.Org 1.18.3, Open GL 3.0 Mesa 11.2.2."
Where as lxpupsc has "X.Org 1.19.3, Open GL 3.0 Mesa 17.1.2".
How can I upgrade this X stuff in slacko to see if that fixes the issue?

gyro

[davids45]

G'day rcrsn51,

@davids45:

Run "probepart". Does it see the disk as UDF?

Run "guess_fstype /dev/sr0". What does it see?

Here are the results of these two further terminal inputs with my non-Slacko-mounting CD.

Regards,
David S.

[prehistoric]

Hi,
I used the included browser installer to create Opera 46 sfs but it does not run after loading the sfs.
Opera 45 worked ok.
I did not tested Chrome or Vivaldi.
Thanks in advance,

José Pinto

You are, as Oscar said, likely running into 64-bit sfs files on a 32-bit machine. The binaries will say amd64. Chrome is also 64-bit only, but you can use the stable branch of Vivaldi 1.9.818.50, which is available for 32-bit machines (i386). I'm running this now on that beat-up D600. It is painfully slow on such a slow machine, but that is what I'm trying to use to expose a nondeterministic timing problem.

Aside for others: At the moment the damn thing refuses to misbehave. None of the machines I wanted to try have been slower, or limited to 32-bit software. If this continues, I'd say you are unlikely to hear from people bothered by it, assuming the dhcpcd_drop_wait pet is applied. This fix seems time-dependent, but I believe the slow hardware which most often exposes the bug will disappear in a few years. I wouldn't bet my life on this software, but shouldn't have to.

For those who have been irritated by my approach I can only say I appreciate that they have stopped short of threatening violence, as did happen in the past when I worked to expose concurrency problems programmers had spent months or years making less likely without fixing. I found the problems, but upset quite a few people in the process. Ordinary sequential reasoning doesn't work well until you have narrowed the possibilities considerably, so my actions seem perverse and illogical. Until you've seen some real-life examples you would not believe the way concurrency multiplies the number of combinations of possible states and state transitions. Nobody can handle such overhelming complexity directly.

[01micko]

01micko,

I did some testing of my video problem, GPU hangs until set "XUA".
I notied that LxPupSc 17.06.22 does not have this probelm, so I tried using it's 4.11.5 kernel with slacko, but that did not fix the problem.
I then noticed that slacko has "X.Org 1.18.3, Open GL 3.0 Mesa 11.2.2."
Where as lxpupsc has "X.Org 1.19.3, Open GL 3.0 Mesa 17.1.2".
How can I upgrade this X stuff in slacko to see if that fixes the issue?

gyro

2 ways I can think of. 1)Try downloading all the necessary xorg/mesa/intel components from slackware -current and run them through the woof templates then construct a y-drive or 2)ask peebee. I do get the issue on my wife's macbook but I won't get a chance to play with that until Saturday. Since the 'uxa' thing seems to be the key for most I want to try and detect errors in the xorg/kernel logs and apply that fix before X starts or if not apply it and suggest an X re-start in a message window (possibly a terminal window or something that doesn't rely on too much 'tool-kit').

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udf

So there is a bug in probepart (and further up 'blkid').

Slipped the attached version into /sbin, making sure it is executable, and see if it makes a difference. Thanks for testing.

[josepinto]

Hi,
I used the included browser installer to create Opera 46 sfs but it does not run after loading the sfs.
Opera 45 worked ok.
I did not tested Chrome or Vivaldi.
Thanks in advance,

José Pinto

You are, as Oscar said, likely running into 64-bit sfs files on a 32-bit machine. The binaries will say amd64. Chrome is also 64-bit only, but you can use the stable branch of Vivaldi 1.9.818.50, which is available for 32-bit machines (i386). I'm running this now on that beat-up D600. It is painfully slow on such a slow machine, but that is what I'm trying to use to expose a nondeterministic timing problem.

Aside for others: At the moment the damn thing refuses to misbehave. None of the machines I wanted to try have been slower, or limited to 32-bit software. If this continues, I'd say you are unlikely to hear from people bothered by it, assuming the dhcpcd_drop_wait pet is applied. This fix seems time-dependent, but I believe the slow hardware which most often exposes the bug will disappear in a few years. I wouldn't bet my life on this software, but shouldn't have to.

For those who have been irritated by my approach I can only say I appreciate that they have stopped short of threatening violence, as did happen in the past when I worked to expose concurrency problems programmers had spent months or years making less likely without fixing. I found the problems, but upset quite a few people in the process. Ordinary sequential reasoning doesn't work well until you have narrowed the possibilities considerably, so my actions seem perverse and illogical. Until you've seen some real-life examples you would not believe the way concurrency multiplies the number of combinations of possible states and state transitions. Nobody can handle such overhelming complexity directly.

Hi,
Thank you for the explanation.
I think I have a processor capable of 64 bit instructions as described here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150
Should I run 32 bit of 64 bit slacko?
I am testing the 64 bit version with Palemoon and Libreoffice.

[norgo]

@gyro and @01micko

I can confirm gyro's observations.
I also played around intensively with Peebee's LxPupSc and tried to force a hang or freeze.
Result: absolutely impossible to force a hang or freeze.

In case of Slacko 700 I can confirm too that it is independent of kernel version.
If sna acceleration is used it happens independent of kernel version or 32 or 64 bit.

I'm using uxa acceleration since five weeks and had no hang or freeze anymore.

gyro, I'm very curious about your tests results with X.Org 1.19.3 and Mesa 17.1.2