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DebianDog and Derivatives Bugs and Help

#1 Post by saintless »

DebianDog (download link) has a set of scripts and boot methods unique for the distribution. I would say there is no other linux having more available options. Those special scripts and boot options are result of community work and all are born in this forum (except some ideas taken from porteus and FoxyRoxy linux). Adapting the scripts to other distribution - Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora etc. makes only derivative of DebianDog. Just like Puppy is based on Slackware, Ubuntu, Debian. It is still Puppy linux.

Most people reading this know the history of DebianDog and derivatives and the saintless <-> fredx181 conflict. This conflict left some (not many but some) users without place to ask questions about DebianDog based distro.

This thread is the place to start your questions, report bugs, add ideas, find help maybe and keep the DebianDog discussion alive for a while atleast.
Post the name of the derivative and your questions or bugs and I will update the second post with links to the bug found.

My opinion is DebianDog and derivatives should be community projects and deserve much more than me or fredx181. We both failed to keep the project alive. This why I will not take any active part in the development process. But I will try to help with solutions, fixes and ideas as much as I can in this or any reopened thread.

My view is someone else should take over control on the organisation page and any new started thread. If it is fredx181 I'm fine by this also. But I'm the one who created this project and my work is included in every DebianDog version or derivative (even if you can't find my name in most scripts). I will post what I see properly to say in any DebianDog related thread.

Bottom line:
DebianDog based linux needs a development team.
I am available as contributor. Developers Wanted!

Edit: Sorry, but seems the one man show continues:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 019#958019
You can post your questions there to the current DebianDog maintainer.

Edit2: Read Fred's post about this here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 038#958038

Toni
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#2 Post by saintless »

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#3 Post by backi »

Hi Toni !

I did hesitate to write ...afraid of risking to make a mistake .
I do agree mostly with your post......but one thing keeps spoiling the whole Party in my humble opinion .

"Skipping the names of the people contributing to the scripts doesn't make them Fred's own scripts and keeping them without free open source license is a shame."

Sounds as if he had committed a capital crime .
Why not just stop attacking and shaming fred ( for what ?).......doing this all over again and again is just like sentencing someone who is not guilty. It will not help anyone , at least yourself.
For me it is like you are chasing the phantoms of your own cognitive dissonance.Why can`t you see that .Your post would have been so much better if you did not wrote this sentence above ,why not even edit your post and remove this sentence to show a signal of peace and reconciliation.
I myself would be more happy ,if this endless accusations would stop.

For the rest of your post....there is nothing i would not agree with .

Greetings Toni !

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#4 Post by saintless »

backi wrote:Your post would have been so much better if you did not wrote this sentence above ,why not even edit your post and remove this sentence to show a signal of peace and reconciliation.
I myself would be more happy ,if this endless accusations would stop.

For the rest of your post....there is nothing i would not agree with .
Because what I wrote is true backi.
I gave many signals for peace. Remember the deleted review thread?
And OK - my edit above as per you recommendation is one more signal.

Toni

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#5 Post by backi »

All right Toni ! :D :D

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#6 Post by Moat »

Nothing worthwhile to add here, but just wanted to mention...

I finally got around to setting up a frugal install of XenialDog 32 bit on USB stick using Porteus boot/changes.dat, and it's fantastic. Yes, both booting and especially saving are a bit slow compared to std. Puppies, but the flexibility/security/power of apt/Synaptic on top of a speedy, Puppy-like run-in-RAM system is the bomb! :)

A plethora of new-to-me tools to explore, as well...

Imported some of my favorite theming stuff and added Xfce panel so as to have the ability to use the excellent Whisker menu (on left... everything to the right of the menu button is the standard, included LXpanel), added a few favorite apps, and voila... greatness.

Interestingly and surprisingly, after setting up on a laptop, I then booted the same stick on my desktop computer - using the laptop-established save file - and the system automatically recognized and connected to my home router via an entirely different WiFi chip/USB dongle! How cool is that?! 8) And everything else just worked OOTB on the desktop, as well (different screen/resolution, mouse, keyboard, etc).

Thanks to Fred (and Toni) for this excellent OS!! :D

Bob
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#7 Post by tallboy »

A link to a download site, perhaps? :D

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#8 Post by saintless »

Thanks Moat.
tallboy wrote:A link to a download site, perhaps? :D
Sure:
https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/
And since backi doesn't want to share the latest news, the current DebianDog maintainer continues the one man show here:
https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/zz05xenialdog.html
He opened discussion there and poor Elsa is the first victim.
What happened, Fred? Her comment wasn't friendly enough? Or you just couldn't resist to test your new super mod powers to delete comments? :)
Anyway the discussion there is "open". I will update the first post.

Stop shaming Fred? He doesn't need my help for that, backi. All community contributions to the project taken away by one man.
Same game, different name.

Lets concentrate one real Puppy linux now.

Toni

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#9 Post by Flash »

If you don't shut up about fred I'm deleting this thread. You started the first post bitching about him and you just won't let it go. Please, concentrate on the purpose of the thread and forget about fred.

You should have put a link to a download site in your first post instead of waiting until the eighth post in the thread. You can edit your posts.

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#10 Post by backi »

Quite disappointing Toni :( :( : :(

Means bad Karma man..better do.. " let`s say 100 extra friendly posts ". to neutralize "The Spell of the Black Debian Dog ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v02OiGmttZE

Do miss some humor from your side .

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delete all posts from saintless

#11 Post by zagreb999 »

Great Compliments to Mr. Flash!


"If you don't shut up about fred I'm deleting this thread."

Mr. Flash,
you are right:
please do delete all posts
from saintless. His exclusive job is to
persecute, insult, Invent lies against Mr. Fred,
who is one of the best
constructor in puppy linux world!

Regards!

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#12 Post by fredx181 »

saintless wrote:Bottom line:
DebianDog based linux needs a development team.
I am available as contributor. Developers Wanted!
Just for info, so it's clear where I stand:

I wrote a while back in the Xenialdog 32 thread:
I will never do anything anymore on my own with DebianDog, but -as I said- maybe, maybe try to help if asked and/or appropriate
That stands, I will not start anything ever carrying the name "DebianDog"

So, I'd say, the road is wide open for anyone to develop under the name DebianDog.

And at the time there is a new (improved) Debiandog (or whatever it's named) I will try to promote it, e.g. adding to DogLinux website, or any other way I possibly can do to spread it to the world! :) .

XenialDog on the other hand, is a different matter.
I said already before, Xenialdog exists thanks to the community development that had been done with "DebianDog" or "Mintpup"
But the name is different and for the most solely done by me.

And in case it's not clear:
I don't claim anything at all, e.g. ownership.
And if someone wants to use the "know-how" or include any script of mine from any Dog related distro, it's perfectly fine by me.

P.S. I will not take any further part in this thread, (still reachable through PM though)

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#13 Post by saintless »

Hi Flash.
Flash wrote:If you don't shut up about fred I'm deleting this thread.
It is up to you. I will answer Fred's post now. I don't take orders who to answer or not. In my humble opinion "Shut up" should not be used by forum moderator (I write this with all my respect to you).
Flash wrote:You should have put a link to a download site in your first post instead of waiting until the eighth post in the thread. You can edit your posts.
Sorry about this small "crime". Corrected now.

Fred
You have commits in DebianDog (I repeat - DebianDog) repositories even the last days. So what you wrote a long time ago isn't true:
I will never do anything anymore on my own with DebianDog, but -as I said- maybe, maybe try to help if asked and/or appropriate.
And you still didn't put license on all DebianDog (community) scripts. Not yours, Fred - also mine and other contributors work is included inside. Some people respect the license and don't put their name on someone else work. It will be nice if you fix this. No road is open for anything otherwise. You did this and it is your responsibility to fix it.
XenialDog is a derivative and includes the same scripts and the same work. Solely is far away from the truth.

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#14 Post by backi »

Seems the Beat goes on......so grab some popcorn .....and enjoy the music while " The Beat Goes on " :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3O5zg290k
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#15 Post by backi »

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backi wrote:Seems the Beat goes on...
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#17 Post by saintless »

Moat wrote:
backi wrote:Seems the Beat goes on...
Nice picture Moat :) Hope you both have fun.

Re-open your threads Fred. This is the perfect place for people like you.

Flash
really seems best to delete this thread and follow zagreb999 suggestion.
This place is full with users who have no respect to anything. No point to share or contribute more here.
Delete my account, please. And enjoy the pleasure while doing it ;)
Only then fredx181 and rufwoof will feel safe to ride on my back again. As usual.

Toni

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#18 Post by backi »

I know Toni....nobody understands you .
Seems somehow you are a masochist.
So i will give it to you . Here is another one .
Let me explain it this way....(this is shall be a joke hahaha : :lol: :lol: :lol: :)

A Masochist and a Sadist had an encounter.....says the Masochist to the Sadist " Please torture me pleeeaaassse :D :D " says the Sadist "Nooooo :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: .

For for my justification .
Felt somehow bored while waiting for some constructive contributions.
(does not matter from whom )
Meanwhile trying to have some fun. So i wanted to entertain myself and try to amuse the waiting crowd.
And what`s your contribution ?
You are just working to confirm your legendary reputation as a Party-killer ( we call it Spass-Bremse in german..."Fun-Break" ).

Hey man ,this is not fair .....
No man ....it really is not. And it is not funny .
Bad Karma ...man.

The only chance for you to get rid of this terrible curse is ... " let`s say 200 extra friendly posts ".(This includes interest and compound interest ).

Greetings from Germany
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#19 Post by mcewanw »

Since I currently have no plans to do any further development work, it might be useful to anyone taking over DebianDog project to list the small system contributions I have made, so that work can be more easily maintained:

I replaced the original (insecure) chpupsocket system script (by Fred?) with a hopefully much more secure small C program, which I created and compiled.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 074#755074

I modified various DebianDog system scripts to make it possible to boot from SD (including related mods to system scripts: Porteus boot initrd.gz, drive-info, lspart, mnt-all, mnt-backing, mountlink, mount-wizard)

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 773#850773

I also completely restructured and modified DebianDog installer script (original script was written by Terry aka Sunburnt) to remove a major issue with vmlinuz not being found by the bootloader (sometimes) on usb/SD flash drives. Also modded the script to allow for SD card installs.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 055#851055

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 937#851937

All these changes/mods/additions appear in all the Dogs AFAIK and I commented and dated all such changes I made throughout the relevant scripts so that others could further develop my work or contact me regarding them if required.

I also extracted all the bits and pieces and made many mods to get wifibox from (all over the place on) Slitaz working fine for me in XenialDog32, including possibility to use tazpanel functionality. (Fred modified my work further and made a couple of alternative deb packages for it):

http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... ffe#905749

http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... ffe#906178

I also modified the C source for 01micko's netmon_wmc package (changes were committed by 01micko to woof-ce I believe), which I think might be used in some Dog or other

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 876#906876

I instigated and opened the DebDog github page/resource and encouraged Toni and Fred to start using that at a time they were too busy to get to grips with what was on offer there. Happily they eventually got round to that and moved all contributions over to there (Fred creating the related DebianDog website).

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 043#838043
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 796#837796
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 910#864910

Aside from the above, I may or may not have made some other contributions I can't remember (aside from some bash/gtkdialog scripts which may or may not be used in recent Dogs anymore).

I can verify that Terry (sunburnt) did also create many scripts/Bacon programs for the original DebianDogs (in addition to the Dog installer script) but again I can't say how much of that continues or not to be used in later Dogs. Nevertheless, I think it would be incorrect to suggest that any Dog was sole created since they cannot really be separated in terms of some of the underlying functionality. Several other people made significant contributions I believe (also some Puppy-Rus people?). However, the look and feel and userland apps/display manager etc are certainly very different when comparing the likes of original Toni DebianDog and later Fred XenialDog "arrangements".

Personally I couldn't care less who contributed or claims some kind of ownership rights to these projects, or whether Toni takes (some certainly due) credit for starting this line of Dogs up, or whether thanks go mainly to the earlier pioneers such as sickgut or JBV. Main thing is that it has turned out to be a great wee system that fulfills most of its design aims (including full multiuser login capability, which I encouraged as an important design aim from near the start of it all) and I hope it continues somehow to be maintained by someone...

I'm certainly happy to see Toni back with new ideas and clear intentions to help support the existing product (and also contribute to actual Puppy development itself), but the politics surrounding the Debian/Ubuntu-based 'Dog' releases do feel a bit tricky and exhausting now.

I have no feelings of animosity towards either Toni or Fred, and I doubt anyone will develop any of the Dogs further other than one or both of them (somehow).

Cheers, William
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