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Debian 9 "Stretch" released
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musher0


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:12    Post subject:  

Summit? Smile
But you'll be using Puppy's "UNDERdog" capacity. (hehe) Wink

Access to more apps is certainly a valid reason.

The PPM is giving you trouble, eh?

BFN.

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Jun 2017, 21:51    Post subject:  

Whoops... Embarassed

http://news.softpedia.com/news/debian-re-releases-all-live-images-of-debian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-due-to-bugs-516603.shtml

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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jun 2017, 05:25    Post subject:  

Here's the source of the news: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2017/06/msg00039.html

At least, it was an early discovery. I suspect the bugs have something to do with the departure of Daniel Baumann https://daniel-baumann.ch/. He was the guy behind Debian Live, but Debian terminated him in a humiliating and brutal manner https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg00024.html
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jun 2017, 12:43    Post subject:  

Well the attempt to boot the tahr 6.0.6 with Debian 9 on a stick as the Underdog worked to an extent. Everything was there BUT I could not get JVM with xwin to start. Maybe any ideas getting the window manager to start?
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musher0


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jun 2017, 13:13    Post subject:  

Hi rockedge.

You mean "JWM", right?
My experience of the latest jwm is that it's buggy. By itself.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jun 2017, 14:35    Post subject:  

sorry ! yes I mean jwm. from the command line from what I tested worked. I just don't seem to be to get jwm going! Do you think trying out a different windows manager may do the trick and allow me to start tahr 6.0.6 with the debian 9 underdog?
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jun 2017, 16:08    Post subject:  

anikin wrote:
Here's the source of the news: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2017/06/msg00039.html

At least, it was an early discovery. I suspect the bugs have something to do with the departure of Daniel Baumann https://daniel-baumann.ch/. He was the guy behind Debian Live, but Debian terminated him in a humiliating and brutal manner https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg00024.html

... and Debian Live is close to being pulled

What with SystemD (Devuan) splitting their support base along with ousting Daniel ... perhaps little surprising that Stretch isn't up to the expected standard.

Best choice IMO is to stick with old-stable (i.e. currently Jessie) ... if your hardware works with that (isn't too new), and you don't mind the (non critical) bugs that are evident (and documented). Many don't seem to realise that Debian 'Stable' doesn't mean solid, rather it means unchanging i.e. only critical bugs or security risks get fixed whilst other bugs remain just documented/recorded. Developers tend to rush to get their programs into 'stable' before the freeze, perhaps with too little regard as to bugs/issues. With old-stable in effect the system you're running has been much more widely 'tested' (i.e. live) with critical bugs fixed.

Jessie is LTS till around the first quarter of 2020, so no rush to upgrade IMO, excepting if your (latest) hardware depicts the need to do so.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jun 2017, 17:15    Post subject:  

thanks for the insight. I find the Debian 9 so far works ok but I had major troubles with the LiveCD version and I have not really put the system under any strains yet.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jun 2017, 03:38    Post subject:  

Ruff, I'm with you on Jessie - it is rock solid. But so is my minimalist Stretch build. Although my prime infatuation is Debian Sid. Anyway, here's download links for the archived Jessie Live ISOs:
http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.8.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid
http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.8.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
Let there be more choice.

As for Debian's planned ditching of live ISOs, it's a disturbing tendency. Someone mentioned it as a rumor on some forum, or blog long before this release.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul 2017, 02:36    Post subject: As for Debian's planned ditching of live ISO  

To ditch, As for Debian's planned ditching of live ISOs, what does that mean ... Ok translated French.. So Debian passengers will use Live CDs from Puppy Linux Forum.. Forum will have lot of posts for support Very Happy That underline the need of a LTS team, once development successful for Public released DebianDogs.
For Puppy Linux Pupjibaro Jessy has Josep2424 who will help you, when he comes back and pick up is mail on Spanish section..
Something important about Debian Stretch packages, binaries not included. Do you confirm the fact or is it an error from my wrong use ? Or only error for Puppy Stretch ?

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul 2017, 14:14    Post subject:  

anikin wrote:
Ruff, I'm with you on Jessie - it is rock solid. But so is my minimalist Stretch build. Although my prime infatuation is Debian Sid. Anyway, here's download links for the archived Jessie Live ISOs:
http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.8.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid
http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.8.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
Let there be more choice.

As for Debian's planned ditching of live ISOs, it's a disturbing tendency. Someone mentioned it as a rumor on some forum, or blog long before this release.

Debian seem to be heading for everything in systemD. I guess perhaps a good move having more eyes all looking at the same common thing/code.

More recently I've been booting FreeBSD as my primary choice and very pleased with it so far. Haven't got around to using ZFS however and that looks impressive i.e. create a snapshot near instantly and can roll back ... etc. Form of frugal type save potentially i.e. run a session and create a snapshot (save) ... or not (rollback to the snapshot at the start of the session). Very flexible and very robust.

FreeBSD desktop (I'm running MATE along with Nvidia installed) works very well on my kit. A issue with FreeBSD however is that it either supports your kit or not (not as wide a range of hardware supported as under Linux).

I never managed to get my head around Woof, but under FreeBSD its pretty simple. You can either pkg install (like apt-get) pre-compiled binaries, or build from source ... (ports), simply by cd to the relevant /usr/ports/.... folder (for instance /usr/ports/math/galculator) and make install clean ... and it pulls all the source down and builds/installs for you, offering compile options in the process. So far I've only recompiled the kernel for my particular nvidia card and I also built libreoffice ... more out of interest than need (it took around 3 hours to build). Having achieved building of both those and so simply installs confidence in ones ability (I have compiled a kernel in the past, but it was a daunting task that I struggled with). Generally however I'm content to run with the default build choices as provided by the much quicker to install pre-build binaries using pkg install.

My secondary boot continues to be Debian Jessie and I'm content to stick with that for a while longer yet (perhaps another year or two).

Glad that I originally opted for ext3 rather than ext4 for my Linux partitions as FreeBSD can rw to ext2 and 3, but not 4 (ro). Other way around however and Linux gparted can't even see ufs2.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Aug 2017, 09:20    Post subject: Debian 9 "Stretch" released : is it the same as fred version  

Debian 9 "Stretch" released : is it the same as fred version ? if not how to choose between such a choice ? my main criteria will be that when i ask questions, an help desk will be available 7/7 24/24..
No, no such an assistance, but an assistance as we could have from our Puppy expert in french forum, id est always excepted holidays.
Because build an OS is pleasur for devs, use it is a pleasure for passengers, as long as they don't need explanations or repair.
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