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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jul 2017, 17:43    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
Rcrsn51, in that other thread, made it sound like it was no big deal to get an "sfs" in TD-Stretch that is loadable on-demand for compiling on demand.

I just downloaded the devx that Fred linked to above and ran the sfs-load tool from the menus.

It's the same procedure as in Puppy.
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der-schutzhund

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Location: Blomberg / Germany

PostPosted: Sat 29 Jul 2017, 18:20    Post subject:  

Hi mikeslr,

tanks for this usefull infos!

My PhyTechT (Puppy) i have made on a tahr6.0.2
It seems as if xenialdog is the best base for my new Phytechpuppy.
It is based on ubuntu as tahr 6.0.2, has openbox, there is a 64bit version for it.
That the adjustment for my new phytechpuppy does not go without much work is clear to me! For my last, I have developed some modules myself, such as the Variomenu or an automatic maintenance module or a configuration menu for a memory file.
Some things I can do myself, but at certain points I need information so I can go on. The problem is also that I now two years nothing more with Linux has programmed. Must therefore only come back into the topic.
Can xenialdog be booted under UEFI?
Tahr6.0.2 can not do that!
My SFS I can of course rebuild, that is no problem.

By the way my automatic maintenance system looks for newer files when shutdown on a central PC. If newer files are found, they are automatically copied to the student PC. This works quite well.

Furthermore, each of my student PCs has its own identifier, which I can copy (collect) files from a directory on a central PC. This is also a self-development.

Wolfgang

mikeslr wrote:
@ der-schutzhund,

- Possibility to customize using a start script at booting:
Not sure it would provide everything you want, but all "DebianDogs" and "XenialDogs" use boot arguments, and which boot arguments are a choice you make.
- Updating via a shutdown-script when shutting down. At shut-down you have the option to Save changes or not. You can also Save change while the system is running. If an icon to do so isn't on the desktop, open a terminal and type, code: save2flash.


"- dynamic integration of SFS...
I would like to start each program via its own script. This script checks if a dependent module is already loaded and if it is not loaded automatically. Of course I define the dependent modules before. This is exactly how it works in my current system.

As mentioned, Apt2sfs will include necessary dependencies for any SFS you create. The ones you create yourself will have an ending of "squashfs" rather than SFS. But see below.

There are several ways to use SFSes. I'm not sure any can be loaded automatically at bootup. One way creates a script file adjacent to the SFS. To load the application, you click the script. It may be possible to create symlinks to these script in a folder in /root so you don't have to open to /mnt/home and scan thru all files looking for the script you want. I don't know to what extent these scripts can be modified.


- my current SFS should run (possibly after an adjustment)! All SFSes created for Puppies can be loaded. But only some may run and even those may require 'adjustments'.

I'm not sure which version of LazyPuppy you are using. There's one based on Lupu, one based on Precise, and if my memory isn't playing tricks, the latest one is based on Tahr. All, however, are base on Ubuntu binaries. TrinityDog is based on debian. Much in common with Ubuntu, but not identical. SFSes built for 'Ubuntu' Puppies may not include all dependencies as some of the dependencies may be provided by/included in the Puppy itself. A debiandog may lack them entirely.

MintPup (LST), http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=858430#858430 or XenialDog, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=901548#901548 being closer to your LazyPuppy, in their foundations may require less 'adjustments'. To find out if a required library is missing, browse to the binary/executable's folder, open a terminal and type, code: ldd EXACT-NAME-OF-BINARY. You'll receive a report of both the libraries it found and those 'NOT FOUND'. Those 'not found' may be available via synaptic or apt-get. If they are not, rather than to download them via a web-browser and install them --which may break your system-- it would be preferable if you downloaded them and rebuild the SFS to include them.

But I suggest you do the following. Keep your present system. Install TrinityDog, or XenialDog --if your computer will run 64-bit OSes, DebianDog64 or XenialDog64-- and experiment with their SFS capabilities. It took RSH (AKA LazyPuppy) hundreds of hours to create his unique operating system. Don't expect any 'Dog' to duplicate that without a lot of work. As both LazyPuppy and 'Dogs' only need their own folders, you may find your best solution is to have both, booting into whichever best fills your then current needs.

mikesLr
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zagreb999

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jul 2017, 18:57    Post subject: xenialdog-uefi-tar-gz  

regards
uefi boot on 64bit windows computers -secure boot disabled

porteus boot always fresh

put in folder where is casper

https://ulozto.net/!7aQ1IWjVyDWr/xenialdog-uefi-tar-gz
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 04:38    Post subject:  

@all
New version of peasywifi added to Stretch and Jessie repository, install with synaptic or from terminal:
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install peasywifi

Changes in v4.3-1 in peasywifi GUI script made by rcrsn51:
- added option (Ethernet tab) to bring the interface down
- added Names button (to select (unconventional) interface name)
and I added new initscript 'rc.network-start' that calls /etc/rc.d/rc.network in the background
https://fredx181.github.io/StretchDog/i386/Packages/Extra/peasywifi_4.3-1_i386.deb
Update: new version 4.4-0 with some more changes by rcrsn51, see:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=962447#962447
Install as described above, or install this deb package.
https://fredx181.github.io/StretchDog/i386/Packages/Extra/peasywifi_4.4-0_i386.deb

@zagreb999
It is nice that you share your uefi boot setup for xenialdog, but I really think you should give much more detailed information how to make it work, otherwise it makes no sense, in my opinion.
(I cannot test uefi boot and don't know anything about it, btw)

@belham2
However you can use this DEVX:
https://github.com/DebianDog/trinitydog/releases/download/v2.0/61-DEVX-Stretch-2017-07-18.squashfs
I think it's good to make your own DEVX (with apt2sfs):
- Then you have the (newest) upgraded packages included
- You can choose yourself what to include, this list might be incomplete for your needs:
Code:
build-essential automake autoconf libtool pkg-config libcurl4-openssl-dev intltool libxml2-dev libgtk2.0-dev libnotify-dev libglib2.0-dev libevent-dev checkinstall upx-ucl cmake linux-headers-4.9.0-3-686-pae python2.7 python3 libc6-dev yasm libgtk2.0-dev bacon

It depends a lot on what you want to compile.
EDIT: Loading the DEVX isn't perfect way to compile complicated program, for example: I once compiled mpv and needed a lot more than the DEVX included, e.g. libasound2-dev.
Ok, I installed libasound2-dev with Synaptic, but Synaptic (or apt) doesn't know about what's "installed" by loading the DEVX, so had to install lots of packages (build dependencies) again.

Btw, I tested just now on Trinitydog Stretch creating DEVX with apt2sfs (using above package list) and did right-click > Activate module and works well for me, so I have no idea why you're facing the problems that you described.

Fred

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zagreb999

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 05:14    Post subject:  

"@zagreb999
It is nice that you share your uefi boot setup for xenialdog, but I really think you should give much more detailed information how to make it work, otherwise it makes no sense, in my opinion.
(I cannot test uefi boot and don't know anything about it, btw)"

REGARDS, FRED

UEFI WORKS AS IN MX LINUX.
JUST, TO PUT IN THE SAME FOLDER WHERE IS CASPER
FOR XENIALDOG.
FOR FAT 32 FORMATED USB IN WINDOWS COMPUTERS 64 BIT
NO NEED ANY INSTALLATION. TO EXTRACT ISO AND PUT
ON USB, AND REBOOT. SECURE BOOT DISABLED.

IF YOU WISH , YOU CAN OPEN THE CONTENT AND SEE WHAT IS
INSIDE.
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 05:42    Post subject:  

zagreb999 wrote:
"@zagreb999
It is nice that you share your uefi boot setup for xenialdog, but I really think you should give much more detailed information how to make it work, otherwise it makes no sense, in my opinion.
(I cannot test uefi boot and don't know anything about it, btw)"

REGARDS, FRED

UEFI WORKS AS IN MX LINUX.
JUST, TO PUT IN THE SAME FOLDER WHERE IS CASPER
FOR XENIALDOG.
FOR FAT 32 FORMATED USB IN WINDOWS COMPUTERS 64 BIT
NO NEED ANY INSTALLATION. TO EXTRACT ISO AND PUT
ON USB, AND REBOOT. SECURE BOOT DISABLED.

IF YOU WISH , YOU CAN OPEN THE CONTENT AND SEE WHAT IS
INSIDE.


Not for me (as I said, I cannot test uefi) but for a newcomer.
Hope your info is clear for anyone who likes to test, but I doubt it.
When I extract your xenialdog.uefi.tar.gz, I get folder 'Documents' (inside lots of stuff, e.g.grub and more), I'm a newcomer, help!! what to do?
Use grub4dos bootloader or...? what kernel boot command line in menu.lst? and so on...

Hopefully anyone can test, make uefi work and write (mini) howto so we can present it as a real thing that works.

Fred
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 05:53    Post subject:  

@Fred: Here is a modification to Names. It resets the Ethernet profiles in /etc/pwf/ethernet.

I have also updated the Help screen.

This version is numbered PWF v4.4.

Bill

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zagreb999

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:14    Post subject: uefi boot for debiandog and xenial dog  

fred,
in Documents there are
"boot" and "efi"

1. copy these files on usb-fat32
2.extract xenialdog iso, and put
on usb
3. "boot" and "efi" put in the same
folder where is casper

on cumputers 64 bit windows, secure boot disabled,
no need any installations.
on all my computers works perfectly-very fast.

there is uefi debiandog-xfce-




http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109300
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:33    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
@Fred: Here is a modification to Names. It resets the Ethernet profiles in /etc/pwf/ethernet.

I have also updated the Help screen.


Thanks again, updated my post here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=962441#962441

zagreb999 wrote:
in Documents there are
"boot" and "efi"
.....
.....

Thanks zagreb!
Someone with uefi-boot cabable computer can test this setup from zagreb maybe?

Fred
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:51    Post subject:  

@Fred: Excellent.

I thought about setting up a "first-run" mechanism that would pop up the Names dialog screen. That would be a quick way to enable cryptic names and make a network connection. Something like:
Code:
if [ -f /etc/pwf/firstrun.flg ]; then
 SETDEVICENAMES
 RECONNECT
 rm /etc/pwf/firstrun.flg
fi

Probably insert it at line 727.

But if the OS is going to switch back to conventional names on the next run, it would be self-defeating.

But if your system is 100% cryptic, this would be useful.

[Edit] I may add this to the Puppy version anyway. In Puppy, a reconnect is always needed to switch from dhcpcd to udhcpc.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 07:35    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
@Fred: Excellent.

I thought about setting up a "first-run" mechanism that would pop up the Names dialog screen. That would be a quick way to enable cryptic names and make a network connection. Something like:
Code:
if [ -f /etc/pwf/firstrun.flg ]; then
 SETDEVICENAMES
 RECONNECT
 rm /etc/pwf/firstrun.flg
fi

Probably insert it at line 727.

But if the OS is going to switch back to conventional names on the next run, it would be self-defeating.

But if your system is 100% cryptic, this would be useful.

[Edit] I may add this to the Puppy version anyway. In Puppy, a reconnect is always needed to switch from dhcpcd to udhcpc.


If only the wired interface would be recognized at boot (if, as you call, crypted) it would be nice already, so that it auto-connects anyway (just my wish, don't know if possible without negative side-effects).

Fred

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2017, 10:34    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
[Edit] I may add this to the Puppy version anyway.

I have scrapped that idea. The new Names mechanism (once you know it's there) makes it easy to assign the cryptic names and do a reconnect.

So you can get online on the first run.
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labbe5

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Aug 2017, 12:02    Post subject: Debian with LXLE Added Features  

http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2013/09/debian-lxde-with-lxle-added-features.html

Hi fredx,

A Linux enthusiast has a website with a few apps that can be added to Jessie :
Fehlstart, a lightweight key-based app launcher, is proved to work with Mintpup, and most probably other Dog-based OS (see Utility entry).

Other apps, such as Compton...a low resource compositor, Random wallpaper... for automatically changing wallpaper at login, Lxweather, Fast Forecast... a local forecast retriever, all of them might come in handy in a Dog-based OS.

Out of curiosity, i tried to install Deepin package manager (on a fresh install). On Mintpup, it does not work, but it is based on Ubuntu. On a Jessie-based OS, if it can be installed, it would add a polished touch.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Aug 2017, 11:23    Post subject: Debian Dog installed easily with isobooter .  

Debian Dog installed easily with isobooter ( 5 minutes)
Iso are three : Puppy stretch, dog stretch, and MintPup
Some problems with Mintpup, to solve later with help desk. repaired

timeout 10
default 0

title MintPup-jwm-icewm-hybrid-26.07.2015
partnew (hd0,3) 0x00 (hd0,0)/MintPup-jwm-icewm-hybrid-26.07.2015.iso
map --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 (hd0,0)/MintPup-jwm-icewm-hybrid-26.07.2015.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader (0xff)

title stretch-7.0.0a1
partnew (hd0,3) 0x00 (hd0,0)/stretch-7.0.0a1.iso
map --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 (hd0,0)/stretch-7.0.0a1.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader (0xff)

title StretchDog32-2017-07-04
partnew (hd0,3) 0x00 (hd0,0)/StretchDog32-2017-07-04.iso
map --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 (hd0,0)/StretchDog32-2017-07-04.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader (0xff)

title More ISOs (see the instructions)
configfile (hd0,x)/menu.lst
commandline
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Aug 2017, 11:33    Post subject: Save : usb cannot be used because format is not Linux ext.  

Save : usb cannot be used because format is not Linux ext. Ok, save on my HDD partition Linux beside Xenialdog saves
Nice to have so many apps and a browser, a real browser (firefox) in les MBs than our Puppies..
Weakness was about wireless whan you go outdoor, because passengers are not always in the aircraft. I check with this version and feedback. Crew told you 'do it yourself', what is not so kind as with 'Puppy Linux Airlines)

"This way of saving changes is equivalent of "pupmode=13" in puppy , saving changes only at shutdown:

Code:
title MintPup porteus-boot save on EXIT in /casper/changes.dat file (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=EXIT:/casper/changes.dat
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz
"
Hum , my saves are on sda3..
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