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Create Debian 9 (Stretch) minimal ISO similar to DebianDog
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 08:06    Post subject:  

Hi dcung, all,

Added to StretchDog repositories a higher version of Thunar, patched without the ugly root warning, install from Synaptic (click Reload first) or with apt-get:
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install thunar # will upgrade to patched version


This means also that any new build including thunar will install this patched Thunar package.

Fred

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 12:06    Post subject:  

johnywhy wrote:
Devuan-ascii built w/ Fred's script:
On reboot, puppy was no longer in tty group.

i can login to puppy desktop,
but keyboard and mouse don't work.


i suspect the mouse/keyboard is a permissions issue.
i have to force shutdown by holding the hardware power button.

Also lost on reboot: leafpad font setting.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 12:54    Post subject:  

johnywhy wrote:
johnywhy wrote:
Devuan-ascii built w/ Fred's script:
On reboot, puppy was no longer in tty group.

i can login to puppy desktop,
but keyboard and mouse don't work.


i suspect the mouse/keyboard is a permissions issue.
i have to force shutdown by holding the hardware power button.

Also lost on reboot: leafpad font setting.


Did you try the solution I proposed here (instead of your xorg.conf change (which I don't think it's a good fix)) ? :
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1004436#1004436
Works for me without any mouse/keyboard problems.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 13:23    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
johnywhy wrote:
johnywhy wrote:
Devuan-ascii built w/ Fred's script:
i can login to puppy desktop,
but keyboard and mouse don't work.


Did you try the solution I proposed here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1004436#1004436


yes, but i did just this part:
Code:
ln -s /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc /home/puppy/.xinitrc


i didn't do the part to disable autologon-- is that also required?

i autologged onto root, then exited x, logged in as puppy, and started x

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 13:57    Post subject:  

johnywhy wrote:
yes, but i did just this part:
Code:
ln -s /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc /home/puppy/.xinitrc


i didn't do the part to disable autologon-- is that also required?


No, disable autologon was a separate subject you asked about.
So, did you keep your xorg.conf change ? Maybe better to remove that (since you talked about keyboard and mouse problems, or is it solved already ? Not clear to me), the above fix should be sufficient.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 17:58    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
@dcung, see at EDIT here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1004436#1004436
Should work, but XFCE configuration needs to be done from scratch when login as puppy.


That's the link/post I was referring too. I knew I read the solution already...
.. Embarassed
Code:
ln -s /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc /home/puppy/.xinitrc


Yes, that fixed puppy login startx problem. Thanks Fred.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 18:01    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Hi dcung, all,

Added to StretchDog repositories a higher version of Thunar, patched without the ugly root warning, install from Synaptic (click Reload first) or with apt-get:
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install thunar # will upgrade to patched version


This means also that any new build including thunar will install this patched Thunar package.

Fred


Upgraded mine - no more root warning.. Smile
Thanks Fred.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 18:49    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
did you keep your xorg.conf change ?

on reboot, i notice that my xorg.conf change seems gone. Iirc, the file didn't exist before i created it.

on fresh install (no changes.dat file), i exit X, then login as puppy.
got:
Code:
xauth: file /home/puppy/.Xauthority does not exist.... connection refused

Then did startx, got:
Code:
Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
xinit: giving up, unable to connect to X server: connection refused... server error"

Then did startxfce4, got:
Code:
cannot open /dev/tty0

I mentioned above that the fix for that was to add puppy to tty group (not done here, since fresh install).

Maybe the issue is my install process?

I simply mount the iso built with your devuan script, then copy the files to a frugal folder on my NTFS boot drive, then add the following to grub:
Code:
menuentry "DevuanLive_ascii-i386" {
    search -f /DevuanLive_ascii-i386/live/vmlinuz1 --set=root
    linux /DevuanLive_ascii-i386/live/vmlinuz1 from=/DevuanLive_ascii-i386 changes=EXIT:/DevuanLive_ascii-i386/live/changes.dat
    initrd /DevuanLive_ascii-i386/live/initrd1.xz}

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 06:12    Post subject:  

Updated mklive-devuan
See EDIT5: 2018-09-21, fix: package repository "auto-mirror...." is expired, changed now to pkgmaster.devuan.org and new attachment here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=996908#996908
(failed completely, at early stage, when I tried it today, should be ok now)

@johnywhy

I did a devuan test build with option XFCE, it seems that I cannot reproduce your problem, what I did is:
- After booted to the Desktop as root (automatic) > Exit X
- Logged in as puppy from the console, then it fails to start X (because it runs automatically startx and doesn't work (without having done the fix for symlinking xinitrc)
- Typed startxfce4
And X starts for me.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 12:30    Post subject:  

hi Fred

i created a new iso with your Devuan script (not today's update).
i chose jwm. added packages:
xfce4
netsurf

removed:
everything pcmanfm
firefox

copied iso contents to frugal dir on ntfs partition.
added grub.

boots fine, but lots of missing icons. (how to get missing icons in iso?)

exit wm
login to puppy
startxfce4
seems to work so far.

connect with peasy wifi

at CLI:
su
pkexec synaptic
in synaptic, reload.
so far, so good.

next, will try to turn off auto-logon.

how to make xfce the default desktop, and remove jwm?
does xfce require jwm or openbox?
how to include missing icons in iso?

thx!

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 13:03    Post subject:  

Hi johnywhy,

Quote:
i created a new iso with your Devuan script (not today's update).

So the older script worked for you ? Strange..., it failed for me.

I'd say if you want XFCE as default desktop then build with the XFCE option, not JWM.
And.. it's impossible for me to know about the (probably) thousands of different combinations that you can make, only if I know all the details about what you did, which is almost impossible for you to describe, so.... let's not go into that, otherwise we both get crazy Wink
Btw, the faenza icon set should be always included, and you can also add other icon themes at build time.
Sorry that I cannot answer properly, if it was about one fixed desktop option, it would be easier of course.

Quote:
does xfce require jwm or openbox?

No, doesn't require either of them.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 15:35    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Updated mklive-devuan
See EDIT5: 2018-09-21

Is that 32-bit or 64-bit?

---

fredx181 wrote:
faenza icon set should be always included, and you can also add other icon themes at build time.


Is it expected that the script-built iso includes at a basic set of icons for whisker menu? If not, i suggest to include that.

What package should i add to the script to get icons?
adwaita-icon-theme
hicolor-icon-theme
?

----

I included opera-stable in the packages, but got
Code:
Unable to locate package opera-stable

i assume that's cuz the repo isn't included in your script. How to include the repo in your script? This section?
Code:
## source repositories


Suggestion, put a textbox on your gui to add extra repos.
Or even better, run
Code:
apt policy opera-stable
or
apt-cache showpkg opera-stable

on unknown packages, so user doesn't have to enter the repo.

THX

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 16:15    Post subject:  

johnywhy wrote:
fredx181 wrote:
Updated mklive-devuan
See EDIT5: 2018-09-21

Is that 32-bit or 64-bit?


When built from 32 bit host OS it will be 32-bit.
When built from 64 bit host OS it will be 64-bit, but can be forced to 32-bit (checkbox on GUI, at the bottom).

Ah, sorry to say johny, but I really cannot answer all your questions, I'm just the piano-player Smile
You can't add everything to the build , e.g. adding Opera, do it at runtime of Stretch-Live or Devuan-Live (do a web search how to do it)
And search for icon themes available. edit: lxde-icon-theme maybe ?
EDIT: Btw, if you choose yes when prompted to run xterm at a certain point, you can run synaptic (by typing synaptic in xterm) so then you can do a search for more programs to add, e.g. themes.
I'd suggest to keep things simple, e.g. if you want XFCE, use the XFCE option with adding programs as desired, don't try to do anything that's not logical.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 16:18    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
You can't add everything to the build

sure, i know how to add opera in a running os.
you're saying i cannot add an extra repo to your script, even if i edit the script directly?

Quote:
don't try to do anything that's not logical.

for example?

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2018, 16:38    Post subject:  

johnywhy wrote:
fredx181 wrote:
You can't add everything to the build

sure, i know how to add opera in a running os.
you're saying i cannot add an extra repo to your script, even if i edit the script directly?

Quote:
don't try to do anything that's not logical.

for example?

THX


Yes, of course you can edit the script how you like, e.g adding more repos, but won't be easy, I guess.
Quote:
don't try to do anything that's not logical.
-------------
for example?

In one of your previous messages you wrote about making a JWM build with added XFCE, and asked about removing JWM afterwards, not logical IMHO.

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