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Google must be regulated
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belham2

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2017, 13:59    Post subject:  

Moose On The Loose wrote:
perdido wrote:
Google spends more money on lobbying the government than any other company in its quest to not be regulated in any way, shape or form.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/30/google-silicon-valley-corporate-lobbying-washington-dc-politics

Google shutting down its critics.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/zephyr-teachout-google-is-coming-after-critics-in-academia-and-journalism-its-time-to-stop-them/

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These guys
https://www.ixquick.com/

and duckduckgo are competitors to google.

For a long time I have been saying that the era of the nation state is coming to an end and will be replaced with corporate states that are not tied to a physical location. Conglomerates are what is replacing empires. Armies are being replaced by "private security" and other mercenary forces. Democracies may hold the trend back for a while but I don't expect them to be able to keep enough of a focus to resist forever. Corporations are nearly perfect tyrannies and when is comes to singular purpose nothing beats a tyranny. The kings of old and their knights would not have seen our world coming.



Hey Moose,

Are you related to Paul Ehrlick, lol? For those that don't know who he is, go---pun intended--Google it. Nearly 23 years ago, the Nation-State was considered "dead", finished, by a majority of academics and casual observers like yourself. Yet, weirdly, here we are 23 yrs later, and the nation-states still rule not 99.999% of the world's landmass, but 100%. You'll be saying this----the nation-state is dead, and in its place will be (enter your favorite current theme here, i.e. your malicious, omni-potent, incredibly large corporations)---for another 23 years and 23 years beyond that. If you study how large corporations are put together, and function, it borders on almost fanatical lunacy to proclaim they will one day rule the world as nation-states do. This is not saying nation-states are the best thing going, this is a direct observation of people's Ehrlick-tendencies proclaiming something when in fact it has nothing to do with reality. If you want to know what will begin to fell "nation-states" as we now know them, stop focusing on ephemeral things like corporations (God, I an old enough to remember how the exact same things were said about Henry Ford and his Ford Corporation)....but if you want to know what will begin to render "nation-States" into something else that we cannot yet foresee, you could do way worse than study the rise of Bitcoin and bitcoin-related currencies. That's what you're looking for, that is the thing that is coming like an unbelievably fast asteroid out of left field. As things now stand, there is no corporation that is not going to be upended by the changes wrought by digital currency not backed by any nation-state. And by extension, there will be a lot---a lot---of current nation-states that don't survive it either.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 20:56    Post subject:  

Google is becoming a big bully.

Google is now doing "Everything possible to strangle the reach without deleting it." of youtube videos
that do not align with the google social engineering message.

Google now threatening websites that don't align with google's re-education of the masses

Contentious Memo Strikes Nerve Inside Google and Out
Non-politically correct engineer fired for expressing concerns about google's lack of diversity.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 22:28    Post subject:  

I just read that Steve Bannon is in favor of regulating Facebook and Google as public utilities. Previously I might have agreed, but if Steve Bannon is for it, I'm against it.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 22:48    Post subject:  

Googlenomics includes the monetizing of all followers.
Since YT stopped supporting IE I wonder if edge was included.
MisterSoftie is not going to like that.

I will say that the above caused the EZ2Use Fiirefox app for YT to go back to the manual approach of watching YT vids.

I really do not trust google and chrome and flash and IE. I think the goal here is to feed us the news based upon what we like, not what is actually happening. We get the spin based upon what our on-line history is, not what the facts are.

As one former President said, "What is "is"?"

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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Sep 2017, 04:41    Post subject:  

What happens when you criticize Google? You get the boot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z15sYGXzyKg
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Sep 2017, 18:12    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:

Are you related to Paul Ehrlick, lol? For those that don't know who he is, go---pun intended--Google it. Nearly 23 years ago, the Nation-State was considered "dead", finished, by a majority of academics and casual observers like yourself. Yet, weirdly, here we are 23 yrs later, and the nation-states still rule not 99.999% of the world's landmass, but 100%.


You seem to have missed my point about the corporate state not being tied to locations. It is the area of economics and not geography where they are taking over. We already have quite a few companies with bigger budgets than some nations. We have private security forces working as the armies for them.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Sep 2017, 13:12    Post subject:  

New concerns over the influence of big tech's power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZPDqzETNj0
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Sep 2017, 20:25    Post subject: other bring me to the page one of the topic.  

what i know is that google will brings me to the exact page of the Puppy Forum where my info is, other bring me to the page one of the topic.
About regulating, don't forget that until now you can communicate thanks to the US army. They can cut the flow when they like, where they like.
Wait a little, European satellites will get an alternative soon
What i mean is that you have no choice ! Google is the more powerful.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Oct 2017, 04:30    Post subject:  

I'm no Google fan, but does anyone else think it's a bit odd and ironic that Google's critics are using video clips posted on Youtube -- a Google service -- to slam Google?

One would think that if Google were truly omnipotent and omniscient, they wouldn't allow their own service to be used against them.

But maybe it's to Google's benefit. Every time someone views one of these video clips, Google gets revenue from the ad views. They also get to build a database of people who might be opposed to Google. They know who you are, even if you're not logged in.

It may well be that Google has too much reach, but I'm not so sure that I trust regulators to be even-handed in reining them in. I think that what we really need is more skepticism and deeper critical thinking among the public consuming Google and other net services.

One of the things I like about Puppy (and other Linux variants) is that I think it encourages users to be more actively involved in their online activity -- to think more. These days many phones, tablets, laptops, and even desktop computers are just appliances for passive consumption, essentially 21st century television sets.

And if you want more privacy, you can open a virtual machine and boot Puppy from an ISO image with no savefile. With a vpn you have even more privacy, but that would probably require a savefile, I suppose.
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