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can some one define: what is Puppy?
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rufwoof

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2017, 14:01    Post subject:  

jd7654 wrote:
As far as Debian Dog. I agree, it is not Puppy. That is not a sleight, just an objective assessment.

And should be in the Off-topic Conversations forum section (where users have to be logged in in order to view that) instead of arrogantly dominating the Puppy Projects forum.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2017, 14:08    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:
Reading this:
Quote:
Puppy's goals:

1. Easily install to USB, Zip or hard drive media.
2. Booting from CD (or DVD), the CD drive is then free for other purposes.
3. Booting from CD (or DVD), save everything back to the CD.
4. Booting from USB Flash drive, minimise writes to extend life indefinitely.
5. Extremely friendly for Linux newbies.
6. Boot up and run extraordinarily fast.
7. Have all the applications needed for daily use.
8. Will just work, no hassles.
9. Will breathe new life into old PCs
10. Load and run totally in RAM for diskless thin stations

Then DebianDog is Puppy linux according to the above list except maybe "5. Extremely friendly for Linux newbies." which needs more improvement.

There are a number of distros out there that could fit that definition. Most I suspect would moderate their users forums to reject DebianDog postings. Puppy Forum moderation in contrast is way more lenient ... leading to arrogant abuse.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 01:51    Post subject:  

rufwoof wrote:
There are a number of distros out there that could fit that definition.

Name one except Puppy and DebianDog (Dog based) with option to:
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Puppy's goals:
3. Booting from CD (or DVD), save everything back to the CD.
9. Will breathe new life into old PCs

I wiil be happy to test it and post the results for you here.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 14:09    Post subject: Quirky ?  

Quirky ? Razz
Musher0 has problems to save sessions on DVD (Puduan). Apparently newer Puppies cannot save on DVD-RW.
I used the process long time ago. you were able not to load last two sessions registered, i remember.
Life was not easy when burning was occupying my saturdays and sundays
Viva la clé USB ! And XenialDog..

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 15:54    Post subject: Re: Quirky ?  

Pelo wrote:
Quirky ? Razz

I can't find information about saving sessions on the same boot CD/DVD. Only remastering with changes to new CD/DVD, Correct me if I'm wrong or you know a way to do it with Quirky.

BTW I forgot to mention/exclude FatDog because it also can save session on multisession CD/DVD reading the documentation.

Edit: Infact every small enough Debian/Ubuntu based distro and Porteus (after some small changes in linuxrc) booting with aufs could include save on multisession DVD option. Just the developers don't know about this option or they don't want it popular and supported yet.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Sep 2017, 22:22    Post subject: Saving sessions on a DVD-RW is not a bad idea.  

There is no bad system. Each process has interest. Saving sessions on a DVD-RW is not a bad idea. That is the reason why from time to time, topics about RW have to be sent at the top of the forum. To remind that they exist.
Don't care about those who would like to keep them buried.

however, DVDs and CDs are often bad quality. Some will run only on cd-player were they were burnt. I have two computers, and an usb cd dvd player.
I began with Linux buying revews with CD included (around 10 euros) . Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Mint, Suse were my first Linus distros on test.. and boring. Untill i discover Puppy. Sure i burn ISO, but it was fast, because 130Mb are not 4GB..
Some Puppies have a new versions each week.. Burning and burning versions will get people leaving..
I have a Slacko 6964. I feed back some remarks. No value because 6964 is not the last released. That is foolish !

What is sure is that USB are RW, Live USB are better than Live CDs.. and less expensive.. When you count CD trashed because of wrong burnt

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Sep 2017, 00:56    Post subject: THE FUTURE
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THE FUTURE.... for advanced users
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 04:37    Post subject:  

Puppies built with Unleashed are also Puppies as well as the original woof and woof 2.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 13:52    Post subject:  

What's a Puppy?

Make you're choice, but by definition, it can either be a young bitch, or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URayWTkEPYM, or a cuddly companion for life.

There is such a thing as a typical dog. Left to their own devices, any dog will interbreed with any other dog, and eventually you end up with the mid-sized animal you'll find surviving on the means streets of any neighborhood without adequate animal control; and in the animal shelters of those which do. To suggest that only such animals are dogs, that pugs. chihuahuas, and Jack Russels, mastiffs and labrador retrievers aren't dogs, is ignore the adaptability of the species to provide just the companion we want.

It's been commented that the characteristics of a dog often reflect the characteristics of those who keep them. That's true of our Puppies. Especially after Barry K's woof unleashed their genetic pool, now that wiak has opened up the the mysteries of woof to 'us passengers', and fredx181 and saintless have introduced us to "DebianDogs" with the potential for the cross-fertilization of ideas and even applications, your Puppy is what you make it; and ultimately, your Puppy will reflect your personality.

Here's the thing. Each of us who stick with Puppy for any length of time do so because there are somethings about it which we love. Love is a strong word. But if you try to figure out why any of us would take the time to keep it alive and make it better when we could easily just download and run any of a score of other distros you'll soon realize something more than a rational choice is involved. What that something is is likely to differ in kind and degree from one of us to another. In fact, perhaps that is Puppy's most essential feature: its adaptability. My 'perfect Puppy' is what I make it.

No useful purpose is served by trying to define a Puppy as having only those characteristics you, yourself, love.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 15:41    Post subject:  

to me puppy is an idea and a goal
and a great group of people
and a forum

barry k started it all
and laid the groundwork
but puppy is always evolving
and new ideas from other distros
will only enrich puppy
and continually make it better

and actually
one of the most important people to thank is murga
who has given us all a venue all these years
to collaborate on puppy

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 15:51    Post subject:  

Puppy Linux is the OS that will start on many many many different machines.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 16:06    Post subject:  

A baby dog...

Can't believe I beat Musher0 to that one!
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 16:06    Post subject:  

rufwoof wrote:
saintless wrote:
Reading this:
Quote:
Puppy's goals:

1. Easily install to USB, Zip or hard drive media.
2. Booting from CD (or DVD), the CD drive is then free for other purposes.
3. Booting from CD (or DVD), save everything back to the CD.
4. Booting from USB Flash drive, minimise writes to extend life indefinitely.
5. Extremely friendly for Linux newbies.
6. Boot up and run extraordinarily fast.
7. Have all the applications needed for daily use.
8. Will just work, no hassles.
9. Will breathe new life into old PCs
10. Load and run totally in RAM for diskless thin stations

Then DebianDog is Puppy linux according to the above list except maybe "5. Extremely friendly for Linux newbies." which needs more improvement.

There are a number of distros out there that could fit that definition. Most I suspect would moderate their users forums to reject DebianDog postings. Puppy Forum moderation in contrast is way more lenient ... leading to arrogant abuse.


No Debiandog is not Puppy - important thing is puppy was pretty much the first to be able to do the above - other Distros followed.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Sep 2017, 13:23    Post subject:  

Puppy's goals:

1. Easily install to USB, Zip or hard drive media.
2. Booting from CD (or DVD), the CD drive is then free for other purposes.
3. Booting from CD (or DVD), save everything back to the CD.
4. Booting from USB Flash drive, minimise writes to extend life indefinitely.
5. Extremely friendly for Linux newbies.
6. Boot up and run extraordinarily fast.
7. Have all the applications needed for daily use.
8. Will just work, no hassles.
9. Will breathe new life into old PCs
10. Load and run totally in RAM for diskless thin stations

A Puppy must do it. of course other OS can do it too.
I should add, as for mobile phones, that a Puppy allows laptop owners to use their laptop outside. Puppy 4.12.4.2.1 and 431 did it.. Not sure that everybody can reach the goal
Puppy has to be defined by users, as cars are defined by marketing, not by engineers. Engineers work is to realize what people like. Business is business.
The here above goals were written first, In our forum puppy-builders don't know what users need, they ignore how many they are, they suppose what they like will please to users.
And why a trade mark ? Is that not in complete opposition of GNU Linux spirit..

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Sep 2017, 15:56    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:

DebianDog and its forks are not Puppy linux. But everything you can do with Puppy is possible with DebianDog.


no saintless, I am sorry, and it is the reason, why, I, in the first time enthousiast lover of the "dogs", did abandone the dogs:

on a simple PC only with hard disk, you are totaly dependant from an idiotic only one directory, "live".

you can install 100 or more Puppy without some problem, some collision in the same partition Idea Rolling Eyes

but only one poor dog at the same time!

and you can't start like Puppy with only each one

- kernel
- initrd
- and pup'pipapo.sfs


and each restart, the dogs don't find but require some *.sgn file it does not find else it is present... you can't go to your breakfirst and let it do what needing: It does not continue to work and start the system! It waits for that *.sgn being present but not found!
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