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HDD failure imminent. What to do?
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nubc


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 00:37    Post subject:  

Let me repeat again, the thumb drive was not inserted during the attempted data transfer, when there was a problem with booting as lived CD instead of frugal install.

Two differenf things are going on here. (1) I am trying to set up a temporary frugal install with savefile on USB drive, until my new drive gets delivered next week, In the meantime, (2) I realize that the full drive sda2 is going to be problematic until I move some data off it, so I am interested in transferring some date between drives.

As I recall, there is no option in the savefile dialog to put it on a USB thumb drive.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 00:45    Post subject:  

I understand that.

Maybe I am misunderstanding this statement by you.
Quote:
Slacko was running as a live CD.


I understand that as saying it is running in the pupmode for a live CD and not the pupmode for a USB flash drive.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 00:48    Post subject:  

Quote:
I realize that the full drive sda2 is going to be problematic until I move some data off it, so I am interested in transferring some date between drives.

I thought transferring data was a problem, because the hard drives where not working correctly.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 00:52    Post subject:  

The flash drive is not relevant during the data transfer operation, as it has been completely removed from the system. Instead, one or both hard drives are connected, and I want the frugal install to boot. Instead, with both drives connected, the CD does not boot the frugal install, but instead it boots as a live CD. Sorry if I am repeating myself. I would say there is a problem with boot order in BIOS.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 00:55    Post subject:  

Well, as you can see, there are issues. But I did get the 2TB hdd to boot as a single drive, frugal install. You are right, I need to move some data off the full drive. I'm not sure what pupmode is, but I am not running a live USB thumb drive in any way. There WAS a savefile on the USB drive, that is all. That savefile has been deleted, and I have quickly brought this new session up to a satisfactory quitting place. Before long I will attempt to create another savefile on the USB. It's going to be a long 4 days before I get a new drive.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 00:57    Post subject:  

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As I recall, there is no option in the savefile dialog to put it on a USB thumb drive.


If you do what I said about changing pmedia=cd to pmedia=usbflash.

It for sure will offer saving to USB.

To make sure any save you have made for the USB thumb drive is not an issue.
Delete it and start with a fresh save, after making the pmedia change.
And booting fresh with no save.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 01:05    Post subject:  

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I would say there is a problem with boot order in BIOS.

That is why I suggested checking settings in the bios and making sure all settings look correct for your setup.

Bios's can hick up and sometimes need setting checks and resets.

Just something to make sure is correct.

Boot device order, is something that always needs changed in the bios, if you are changing the normal boot device to use.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 01:10    Post subject:  

On acting up hard drives.

do not overlook the possibility of corrupted or fragmented file system.

Gparted can check Linux formats.

Have to use Windows chkdsk and defrag programs to check ntfs or fat32 formats.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 01:20    Post subject:  

Even though I deleted the savefile, there exists a mounted directory by the same name in the upper level of directories. Now deleted.

Can you be more specific about the location of that pmedia setting. Is pmedia limited to the USB drive, or does it relate to the entire session? I did a pfind search for pmedia, got nothing.

Except for sda1 (mounted) all the directories in the upper level of the USB are empty.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 16:20    Post subject:  

This is about making the USB flash drive install of Puppy, boot in the proper pupmode, for running Puppy from a USB flash drive.
On the USB flash drive will be a boot config file.
The file should be one of these:
isolinux.cfg
OR
syslinux.cfg

If Grub4dos bootloader is on the USB flash drive and used to boot it.
menu.lst is used.

In Rox file manager navigate to the file you have.
Left click on it to open it in a text editor.

Example:
isolinux.cfg

Quote:
default puppy
display boot.msg
prompt 1
timeout 50

F1 boot.msg
F2 help.msg
F3 help2.msg

label puppy
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=cd


Change pmedia=cd to pmedia=usbflash.

That tells the Puppy boot process that it is on a USB flash drive and to operate for running from a USB flash drive.

If Puppy is installed by using the Puppy Universal Installer.
The installer would have made this change based on what you installed Puppy on.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 16:44    Post subject:  

There is no such boot file on the thumb drive. Maybe a file gets created during the process of creating the savefile. So perhaps I have to go through the motions of creating the savefile, and then go back and edit some file that was created. But as I recall, there was no such file on the thumb drive when I created the first savefile, or at least I didn't see one, and I was looking. By the way, the process of creating the savefile was very lengthy, like 20 minutes. Is that normal? This is a frugal install that boots from a CD. As far as I kmow, I'm not booting a USB drive. I'm only storing the savefile there.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017, 23:53    Post subject:  

Sorry, somehow I got the idea you where booting from and running Puppy installed on a USB flash drive.


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This is a frugal install that boots from a CD. As far as I know, I'm not booting a USB drive. I'm only storing the savefile there.
the process of creating the savefile was very lengthy, like 20 minutes. Is that normal?


The read write speed of the USB flash drive and the USB port you have it connected to, controls the speed.

So, unless both are USB 3.0. Writing a save to the USB flash drive can be slow.
Even USB 3.0 is not as fast as a hard drive.
Also, how much needs to be written to the save, can affect the time it takes to initially make the savefile or update it.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep 2017, 14:58    Post subject:  

Okay, this time the USB savefile worked. When I reacquired Desktop there was a floppy disc icon, named save. I clicked it, and got this message
Code:
Saving RAM to savefile...

What is this? What did I do?

EDIT: For some reason, every other reboot is a live CD rather than the frugal install.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep 2017, 15:42    Post subject:  

Usually if the save file or folder is on a USB flash drive.
A save icon is placed on the desktop.
Use it to manually save any time you wish.

Normally, to keep the number of writes to the flash drive as low as possible. Saves are only updated at shutdown or reboot.
Suppose to make the flash drive last longer, because they have a limited number of writes before failure.

Quote:
USB flash drives can withstand between 10,000 to 100,000 write/erase cycles, depending on the memory technology used.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep 2017, 15:45    Post subject:  

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For some reason, every other reboot is a live CD rather than the frugal install.

Do not have the live CD in the CD player when you boot.

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