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musher0


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Sep 2017, 20:52    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
dancytron wrote:
A new forum section entitled "Other Linux Distributions," with subtopics like Debian Dog, Fatdog, Tiny Core, and Other would make things a lot cleaner and more organized.

Yes, that would be good.

Btw, some useless things said here, "enemy" Question wiak "basically copying everything Fred did" Question
Some had a few drinks to many maybe ? Rolling Eyes

Fred

Hi Fred.

Yeah I'm having one (1) Red Amber Ale by Alexander Keith right now. The
first in months, actually. So I'm sober.

And I really do think your Debian Dog is the enemy of any DPup because
your DebianDogs are encroaching on Puppy territory and splitting the
energy Puppyists could devote to DPup development.

If I am the only Puppyist feeling the need to fight back, so be it. Puppyists
have been too charitable towards Debian Dogs. We need to claim that
territory back.

Yes you are a master of your trade, but get your own forum. Don't
propagate confusion in our midst.

Best regards.

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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 05:53    Post subject:  

Hi Musher0

Quote:
Yeah I'm having one (1) Red Amber Ale by Alexander Keith right now. The
first in months, actually. So I'm sober.

And I really do think your Debian Dog is the enemy of any DPup because
your DebianDogs are encroaching on Puppy territory and splitting the
energy Puppyists could devote to DPup development.
...
...


OK, seriously then (I'm sober too Smile ).
Well, at the moment there is no DebianDog up to date release (although there is self build option through mklive-stretch, but that's something different)
And if there is, why would it be a threat for Puppy ? Any examples of puppy developers devoted their time on it where they could do it for Puppy ?
I see them as very different, and it's just what a user prefers IMHO.

For almost four years 'Dog' related threads have been on this forum and for (at least) some people it became useful. (and I'm very thankful, btw, that this forum provided this facility)
And now it seems to me that you simply say 'go away' ?! C'mon, you can't be serious !

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Robert123

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 05:59    Post subject:  

I am sorry Musher but I think your wrong, a separate Debian Dog section would be a better idea.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 06:26    Post subject:  

Hi musher0.

DebianDog is a community project. it isn't Fred's, mine or anyone else DebianDog. We both agreed it is this forum community project and it has open source license and it is like that as far as i'm concerned. There is no need to blame anyone for the DebianDog forks and related threads since all are community projects. I agree too many of them exist btw but most will be forgotten soon since noone replies there anymore.

musher0 wrote:
For everybody's information, josejp2424 did the reverse in his pupjibaro,
though: he incorporated synaptic in his "Puppy-Jessie", rather than
create a "JessieDog".
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=927975&sort=lastpost&search_id=877435834#927975.

For your information (in case you don't know that) this Puppy-Jessie has synaptic and apt-get thanks to DebianDog. It incoroprates synaptic using/copying the content of DebianDog-Jessie in /var/lib/dpkg (status, available, preferences, apt.conf and info folder content).
It is not very good method to do it this way because dpkg database is false having not installed packages listed as installed and the opposite. I can say much more and point problems and some fixes but posting about this will sound like promoting DebianDog by showing the problems in Puppy using synaptic. In any case don't run apt-get upgrade and dont upgrade packages as libc6 because you will break the system.

But as you can see DebianDog helped Puppy to include synaptic. Friends help - enemies don't.

Toni

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musher0


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 06:33    Post subject:  

Ok, guys.

Point taken.

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 09:17    Post subject: re
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I use both puppy(tahr 605) and debiandog. debiandog has a advantage of using synaptic where I can find any package I need. Puppy package are not that much rich with packages. I also agree that debiandog should have a section in this forum so that debiabdog user can ask question if they face any problem, as debiandog has no separate forum.
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backi

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 12:41    Post subject:  

It is not a question if the Deb Dogs should be on Murga Linux Forum or not.
They are here ,they will stay here ......and this is good so .
Puppy Linux is "The Place " to encounter a a lot of intelligent,innovative and helpful people from all over the world.
It is some kind of Meccca or Stoned Henge .....some kind of a place of worship
....but not for the Past but for the Future .Some kind of Meeting of the Spirits.
Like a permanent "Burning Man " Festival.
There are a lot of synergistic Effects from Puppy Linux and "The Dogs" being on the same Forum .
Cooperation not Competition is the Key.
Banishing the Dogs from the Forum would be desastrous.

O.K. long story short ....
It should be seriously considered to give the Dogs a separate Section here on the Forum .But a lot cleaner and more organized.
But how to accomplish ?

We should keep this Topic cooking .

Regards from Germany !
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jd7654

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 13:56    Post subject:  

Puppy currently suffers from a lack of leadership and direction.

With BarryK retired, the departure of Upup developer PhilB, and the (apparent) pulling back of lead Spup developer and Puppy caretaker Micko, anarchy begins to take hold.

Into this leadership vacuum, a new alpha dog rises up and tries to assume the mantle of lead Puppy handler. Propaganda peddling starts with false labeling of people as Dog-trolls or Puppy haters/enemies, separating people into tribes. A simple innocent post like this descends into partisan bickering, and calls to banish people from the island. Crying or Very sad

Look, as a user, I just use what's useful. I find value in both Puppy and Dog, but I have no allegiance to either side. And this whole idea of "my distro rules, your distro sucks" thing is just so childish and distasteful. Can't people just get along and be tolerant of other views, opinions and ideas?

Seems a bit like Lord of the Flies.

Where is the British Royal Navy when you need them? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 14:17    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
It is not a question if the Deb Dogs should be on Murga Linux Forum or not.
They are here ,they will stay here ......and this is good so .
Puppy Linux is "The Place " to encounter a a lot of intelligent,innovative and helpful people from all over the world.
It is some kind of Meccca or Stoned Henge .....some kind of a place of worship
....but not for the Past but for the Future .Some kind of Meeting of the Spirits.
Like a permanent "Burning Man " Festival.

I see more of a relic in the making. Puppy Linux is in the bottom quartile for trending over the last month, 6 months and 1 year. The board is seeing net outflows either to more Puppy specific alternatives, or to different choices. The structure is such that new users are too easily confused/misdirected and whilst previously Puppy was innovative and a leader, its now a laggard with more solid alternatives elsewhere. Without leadership and innovation grasping at taking on board other distro variations (tiny core, debian live ..etc.) will see the board decline to being just one of many broad Linux fora.
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wiak

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 16:18    Post subject:  

Yes, a separate section would probably be the ideal because in many ways Dogs and Pups do benefit each other. Would be good to have sub-sections available in the separate section though since Dogs need room for user questions, suggestions, announcements and so on too.

wiak

https://github.com/wiake?tab=repositories
https://github.com/DebianDog
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Sep 2017, 16:41    Post subject:  

Hi wiak !

These are some good suggestions to start with and to work on.
Hope Saintless,Fred and others will also give their Opinion on this .
So let us keep pushing this idea .

Regards !
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Sep 2017, 08:37    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Hi wiak !

These are some good suggestions to start with and to work on.
Hope Saintless,Fred and others will also give their Opinion on this .
So let us keep pushing this idea .

Regards !


I already gave my opinion, I agree with what dancytron and earlier (similar) robert123 wrote:
Quote:
A new forum section entitled "Other Linux Distributions," with subtopics like Debian Dog, Fatdog, Tiny Core, and Other would make things a lot cleaner and more organized.

That "Other Linux Distributions" section indeed would be the most ideal IMO, but then e.g. Fatdog developers and others need to agree with that also....
Mentioning it here doesn't do much, I think, so.. how to accomplish is probably best to send request to John Murga, I guess.

Fred
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