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overkill22

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 03:15    Post subject:  

So I tried to boot with the bootmanager from the other distro, and I had the same error showed in the picture before, even thought I changed the
Code:
pmedia=cd
in
Code:
pmedia=usbflash
as suggested.

Back to square one.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 03:57    Post subject:  

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I can see the usb from the bios, but after I select it, it doesn't start puppy but my usual mint.

In bios try changing the boot device order so that usb is first.
Make sure this gets saved when you exit the bios setup.

Are you really sure you got a good download of the Puppy iso?

What is the computer make and model?

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 04:21    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
I can see the usb from the bios, but after I select it, it doesn't start puppy but my usual mint.

In bios try changing the boot device order so that usb is first.
Make sure this gets saved when you exit the bios setup.

Are you really sure you got a good download of the Puppy iso?

What is the computer make and model?

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yes, I checked the md5sum.

Maybe I didn't explain the problem clearly, sorry for that, I'll try to explain better.

The problem is NOT that the USB doesn't boot first. My bios setup is ok and working fine with other live distro. The boot option is USB first, then HD. The security boot is disabled.

The problems are:
1. I try to boot from the Puppy USB >>> it doesn't boot, it recognise the USB in the bios, but then Puppy doesn't start.
2. I try to boot using another bootmanager. That means that I have 2 USB with live distro a. USB with Porteus and Refine bootmanager, b. USB with Puppy and Grub bootmanager.
Using the bootmanager Refine, I can select the live distro of Puppy. When I do that, the Puppy OS try to start, and then I get the problem show in the picture before.
Some said that is the setting in syslinux.cfg that I have to change from CD to USBFLASH. I tried, it didn't work.
Some said that is because I used unetbootin to create the USB, so then I used dd as suggested, it didn't work.
3. I tried different version of Puppy, all didn't work.

The best result I have is create the USB with unetbootin and then boot using the other bootmanager, but this gives me an error.


My laptop is an ASUS UX305FA.

Code:
$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: UX305FA Kernel: 4.11.0-14-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.4.6 (Gtk 3.18.9) Distro: Linux Mint 18.2 Sonya
Machine:   System: ASUSTeK (portable) product: UX305FA v: 1.0
           Mobo: ASUSTeK model: UX305FA v: 1.0
           Bios: American Megatrends v: UX305FA.213 date: 10/12/2015
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core M-5Y71 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 5587
           clock speeds: max: 2900 MHz 1: 911 MHz 2: 1099 MHz 3: 966 MHz
           4: 901 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5300 (Broadwell GT2)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.7 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-2 Intel Broadwell-U Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:03.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.11.0-14-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Wireless 7265 driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 263.8GB (26.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SanDisk_SD7SN3Q2 size: 256.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: DataTraveler_2.0 size: 7.8GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.5G used: 6.7G (75%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-2: /home size: 221G used: 55G (26%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.30GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 50.0C mobo: 27.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 25500
Info:      Processes: 236 Uptime: 54 min Memory: 2021.1/7884.5MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 05:06    Post subject: USB booting - alternative solution  

Hi overkill22

There is good advice above but, as well, just thinking about your problem and alternative solutions. Part of the issue is to get a Puppy going and then there are more options - we use the term, "chicken and egg - what comes first?".

So, you can boot into Mint and other Distros but not Puppy and you can use the dd command. As it so happens one of Puppy's relations is Fatdog and it is a hybrid iso meaning it can be either burnt to CD OR dd onto a USB stick. Once you have Fatdog you can install a Puppy other ways. (And I know that Puppy can be easily made into a hybrid relatively easily but lets stick with Fatdog for the moment.)

Here is the Fatdog page: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/.
1. Download the iso from one of the mirrors.
2. Plug in your usb and "lsblk" to see what is its reference - should be sdb if that is the only usb device plugged in. Change below if it is not sdb
3. sudo umount /dev/sdb
4. Open terminal where you have downloaded the iso and then use it for following
4. sudo dd bs=4M if=input.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync
Takes a while. That should be it. Now reboot and select the USB from your laptop - one of the F10, F11, F12 keys normally. And it should boot OK.
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overkill22

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 05:21    Post subject: Re: USB booting - alternative solution  

I've tried this old procedure :http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54566

Still nothing.

peterw wrote:
Hi overkill22

There is good advice above but, as well, just thinking about your problem and alternative solutions. Part of the issue is to get a Puppy going and then there are more options - we use the term, "chicken and egg - what comes first?".

So, you can boot into Mint and other Distros but not Puppy and you can use the dd command. As it so happens one of Puppy's relations is Fatdog and it is a hybrid iso meaning it can be either burnt to CD OR dd onto a USB stick. Once you have Fatdog you can install a Puppy other ways. (And I know that Puppy can be easily made into a hybrid relatively easily but lets stick with Fatdog for the moment.)

Here is the Fatdog page: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/.
1. Download the iso from one of the mirrors.
2. Plug in your usb and "lsblk" to see what is its reference - should be sdb if that is the only usb device plugged in. Change below if it is not sdb
3. sudo umount /dev/sdb
4. Open terminal where you have downloaded the iso and then use it for following
4. sudo dd bs=4M if=input.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync
Takes a while. That should be it. Now reboot and select the USB from your laptop - one of the F10, F11, F12 keys normally. And it should boot OK.


Will folllow your advice now. I'll post the results in a few minutes
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overkill22

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 05:49    Post subject: Re: USB booting - alternative solution  

peterw wrote:
Hi overkill22

There is good advice above but, as well, just thinking about your problem and alternative solutions. Part of the issue is to get a Puppy going and then there are more options - we use the term, "chicken and egg - what comes first?".

So, you can boot into Mint and other Distros but not Puppy and you can use the dd command. As it so happens one of Puppy's relations is Fatdog and it is a hybrid iso meaning it can be either burnt to CD OR dd onto a USB stick. Once you have Fatdog you can install a Puppy other ways. (And I know that Puppy can be easily made into a hybrid relatively easily but lets stick with Fatdog for the moment.)

Here is the Fatdog page: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/.
1. Download the iso from one of the mirrors.
2. Plug in your usb and "lsblk" to see what is its reference - should be sdb if that is the only usb device plugged in. Change below if it is not sdb
3. sudo umount /dev/sdb
4. Open terminal where you have downloaded the iso and then use it for following
4. sudo dd bs=4M if=input.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync
Takes a while. That should be it. Now reboot and select the USB from your laptop - one of the F10, F11, F12 keys normally. And it should boot OK.


I managed to install the iso on the usb and it boot until the bootmanager. When I select Fat Dog I have an error of memory (couldn't find memory) and then kernel panic.
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overkill22

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 06:01    Post subject:  

tried to install fat dog with unetbootin, nothing to do.

i'm really losing hope. Why is it so difficoult to just install a live distro on a USB stick?
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peterw

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 08:50    Post subject: Puzzled but determined  

Hi overkill22

I have never seen your problems before. Normally, everything just works.

First to check the detail. You sudo dd bs=4M if=input.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync and I, maybe should have been more specific by saying sudo dd bs=4M if=Fatdog64-710.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync I presume you download that 710.iso.

Secondly, what is the make and model of that laptop. It seems strange that it could not find the memory and panicked.

So it got to the menu screen and when you selected the appropriate entry it started to load but got stuck when it did not find any RAM. I usually do a frugal install which only takes a few minutes, but tonight I will find time to carry out my instructions and then I may be able to advise better.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 09:15    Post subject: Other thoughts  

Sometimes the make of the USB stick has issues. What is the make and what is its capacity?
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 11:46    Post subject: Re: Puzzled but determined  

peterw wrote:
Hi overkill22

I have never seen your problems before. Normally, everything just works.

First to check the detail. You sudo dd bs=4M if=input.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync and I, maybe should have been more specific by saying sudo dd bs=4M if=Fatdog64-710.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync I presume you download that 710.iso.

Secondly, what is the make and model of that laptop. It seems strange that it could not find the memory and panicked.

So it got to the menu screen and when you selected the appropriate entry it started to load but got stuck when it did not find any RAM. I usually do a frugal install which only takes a few minutes, but tonight I will find time to carry out my instructions and then I may be able to advise better.


I used the right commands, and installed it correctly, sudo and iso too.

I don't know what's the issue really. I've been using live and usbs since forever, even though I can't find a solution by myself because I'm not so savvy.

Here's my specs
Code:
$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: UX305FA Kernel: 4.11.0-14-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.4.6 (Gtk 3.18.9) Distro: Linux Mint 18.2 Sonya
Machine:   System: ASUSTeK (portable) product: UX305FA v: 1.0
           Mobo: ASUSTeK model: UX305FA v: 1.0
           Bios: American Megatrends v: UX305FA.213 date: 10/12/2015
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core M-5Y71 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 5587
           clock speeds: max: 2900 MHz 1: 911 MHz 2: 1099 MHz 3: 966 MHz
           4: 901 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5300 (Broadwell GT2)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.7 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-2 Intel Broadwell-U Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:03.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.11.0-14-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Wireless 7265 driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 263.8GB (26.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SanDisk_SD7SN3Q2 size: 256.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: DataTraveler_2.0 size: 7.8GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.5G used: 6.7G (75%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-2: /home size: 221G used: 55G (26%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.30GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 50.0C mobo: 27.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 25500
Info:      Processes: 236 Uptime: 54 min Memory: 2021.1/7884.5MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 13:01    Post subject: Trying Fatdog  

Hi overkill22

Just tried my instructions with Fatdog and it worked fine. Checking its details I see:
Linux fatdog64-9e6 4.4.35 - so up to date kernel

The USB has been labelled FATDOG_LIVE and there are 3 partitions
sdb 8:16 1 7.5G 0 disk
├─sdb1 8:17 1 360M 0 part
└─sdb2 8:18 1 10M 0 part
And the 7.5 GB disk has these files
/media/xxxxx/FATDOG_LIVE$ ls
boot.catalog fatdog.png grub.cfg initrd isolinux.cfg vmlinuz
efiboot.img fix-usb.sh help isolinux.bin vesamenu.c32

By way of an explanation sdb1 and sdb2 are necessary to enable booting onto a Windows 8 + laptop with UEFI and secutre boot enabled

You should be able to check to see if your USB stick is the same as mine in Mint

Looking at your machine, I see:
System: Host: UX305FA Kernel: 4.11.0-14-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
Desktop: Cinnamon 3.4.6 (Gtk 3.18.9) Distro: Linux Mint 18.2 Sonya
Machine: System: ASUSTeK (portable) product: UX305FA v: 1.0
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: UX305FA v: 1.0
Your CPU and machine was made in 2015 and I wonder if the driver for it is in the earlier kernels on some Puppies. And I think that the RAM on your machine is 4 GB and is identified as "cache: 4096 KB" - So why isn't Fatdog seeing it?

Unless the USB "DataTraveler_2.0 size: 7.8GB" is incorrectly written or the CPU driver is not in the kernel then I can't see what is wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 13:15    Post subject:  

Puppy should be able to boot with no problem on this computer.
Those specs indicate, a normal computer, that Puppy boots on all the time.

Have you tried to put Puppy on a different USB flash drive?
Tried to use a different USB port to plug the drive into?
On the USB flash, are all the file names in lower case?

In the computers bios. Are you sure secure boot is disabled and or legacy boot is enabled?

I know you said the md5 checks OK.

I would still try a fresh new download of the iso.
Get them from here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/

Could try Xenialpup. it has a much newer Linux kernel.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/xenialpup/

Do not know why this would be of any help, but I have seen posts in the forum about having to make two partitions on the USB flash drive.
First one, say 1GB in size, formatted fat32, flagged boot.
Second one, what is left, formatted anything, Ext 3 would be good format to put the Puppy save on.
Install Puppy to the first partition.

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 13:52    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Puppy should be able to boot with no problem on this computer.
Those specs indicate, a normal computer, that Puppy boots on all the time.

Have you tried to put Puppy on a different USB flash drive?
Tried to use a different USB port to plug the drive into?
On the USB flash, are all the file names in lower case?

In the computers bios. Are you sure secure boot is disabled and or legacy boot is enabled?

I know you said the md5 checks OK.

I would still try a fresh new download of the iso.
Get them from here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/

Could try Xenialpup. it has a much newer Linux kernel.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/xenialpup/

Do not know why this would be of any help, but I have seen posts in the forum about having to make two partitions on the USB flash drive.
First one, say 1GB in size, formatted fat32, flagged boot.
Second one, what is left, formatted anything, Ext 3 would be good format to put the Puppy save on.
Install Puppy to the first partition.


ok, I'll try that.
In between your two posts I replied but the post went missing.

I'm trying to change the kernel into the iso of fat dog, but don't know exactly how.
I think it could be a kernel issue.
What should I do to change the kernel to 4.10 or 4.11 on puppy?

Meanwhile I'll try your suggestions.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 14:00    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:

Do not know why this would be of any help, but I have seen posts in the forum about having to make two partitions on the USB flash drive.
First one, say 1GB in size, formatted fat32, flagged boot.
Second one, what is left, formatted anything, Ext 3 would be good format to put the Puppy save on.
Install Puppy to the first partition.


With which method should I install Puppy in this case?
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Nov 2017, 15:20    Post subject:  

nope. nada. niente.

I've tried to install in all the ways I know, mixed up, did woodoo, but still it's not working.

Hope to find a solution by tomorrow (here's 3.20am), or at least try to find out what is the real problem instead to go and try stuff blind.

thank you all for your help, I'll reply in 6/8 hours from now.
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