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belham2

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 19:38    Post subject:  

[quote="jamesbond"]

belham2 wrote:
Tried these two menu.lst entries, and Fatdog64-720 with the monster initrd refuses to boot.
You can get the monster out of the Bismarck Smile http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/huge-initrd.html


Hi James!

Gonna try your suggestion and pull the .sfs out, and then see if she'll boot 'frugally".

That Bismarck was one hell of a ship...until she went down, that is Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 19:52    Post subject:  

Also check what version of grub4dos you have. There are many versions of grub4dos, not all of them are equally capable. I just tested creating an ISO that boots using grub4dos; and it works nicely. I used grub4dos version 0.4.5c (dated ca 2014).
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 19:56    Post subject:  

[UPDATE]

OH MY FRIGGGGGGGGGIN GOSH........

...on a hunch, I let the laptop, which is only 5 yrs old, has a reasonably fast Core i3 Intel chip, with 8GB ram, and a SSD drive, and i let the original 'frugal' install sit and the cursor blink as it tried to start its fat a## up........

As I was working on another machine, to extract the .sfs out of the Bismarck initrd, about 17 minutes passed, and suddenly the 'frugal' install laptop decides to init and boot.

Good heavens, Fatdog team, what in heck are trying to do to your loyal sailors on the good ship Fatdog?

17 minutes to friggin' 'frugal' boot. Shocked

You now take the all time record for driving users insane, lol Laughing

Hope I can make this faster, as I am NOT gonna wait 17 minutes every time I boot.


Dang........it may be time to row away in my dingy from Fatdog Crying or Very sad
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SFR


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 20:24    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:

17 minutes to friggin' 'frugal' boot. Shocked

Hey Belham

I believe you've already got a way to work around this problem:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=901361#901361

Still, it's incredible bad luck that all your machines have this thing with FD. Shocked

Greetings!

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jake29

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 21:14    Post subject:  

@Billtoo: Try kodi_17_3_avahi_0_6_32-2017.09.03-x86_64-35.sfs available in SFS Manager. It works fine for me.

@jamesbond: Only quirk I have noticed with this beta so far is that /root/Desktop does not appear to influence or reflect actual Desktop.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 22:37    Post subject:  

jake29 wrote:
@Billtoo: Try kodi_17_3_avahi_0_6_32-2017.09.03-x86_64-35.sfs available in SFS Manager. It works fine for me.
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Hi jake29,

That's the SFS that I used but the problem was that I didn't include the 32bit libs when I installed the proprietary Nvidia driver.
I uninstalled and then reinstalled the driver with the 32bit libs and kodi works fine now.

I've lost the panel at the bottom of the screen so I may have to start from scratch to get things right.

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LateAdopter

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 06:02    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:

Hope I can make this faster, as I am NOT gonna wait 17 minutes every time I boot.


I prefer the method jamesbond described in his lightofdawn blog that doesn't need as much space.

Click on initrd to open it, move fd64.sfs and kernel-modules.sfs out somewhere safe, rename blank.sfs to kernel-modules.sfs - click to repack initrd.

That is from memory, so E&OE. Hopefully jamesbond can point out anything I missed.

Then I use the three bits for all of my fatdog 710 copies running from an SSD or USB SDcard.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 08:02    Post subject:  

SFR wrote:
belham2 wrote:

17 minutes to friggin' 'frugal' boot. Shocked

Hey Belham

I believe you've already got a way to work around this problem:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=901361#901361

Still, it's incredible bad luck that all your machines have this thing with FD. Shocked

Greetings!


Hi SFR (and James/Kirk/Step),

I know, right? Thanks for linking that, SFR. I actually did remember & had found it late last night, and followed everything again. Now FD64-720 is back to about 30-40sec boot time.

Maybe I need to get a new machine, and come into the 21st century?

But, seriously, if I have this trouble on a 5 yr old Core I3 Vaio laptop with an SSD and over 8GB of Ram, just who in blue blazes is your guy's target market for Fatdogs?

To not sound too cranky, lol, because me luvs my Fat dog(s), even when they drives me nutso, but perhaps you guys need to re-think this thing just a tad in terms of releases. Slow boots, and always laying that at the feet of the user saying "...well, your BIOS (or some other thing) is holding you guys back..." ....boy, oh boy, young fellas, how about some respect (help me here, Sage!)

My stuff is NOT that old (the other machines are Athlon X2s, 2.8Ghz, 6-8 years old, and they ALL display the same thing). And they boot everything under Linux's Sun, pups too, likcety-split. Even those two monsters from the deep, OpenSUSE and Fedora, are 20-30sec boots across my machines. But put me a new Fatdog in? Heck no, the young fellas are trying to put me in a casket, 6 feet under Cool

To cut to the chase: doggone it, james/kirk/sfr/step, you guys are not playing nice!! Release a small init version if you have to. I'm already an old codger, and making me feel I am surrounded by everything else old (i,e. my equipment) when I excitedly grab a new FD version is, to borrow a youngin's phrase, 'seriously messed up' Wink

I have half a mind to sail this Bismarck you pound down into the pup waters Laughing and shoot you all upside your buttocks and see how uz like that!! Boom, boom, you young heathen creatures...make a small init version so it boots fast!!!
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 09:55    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
mavrothal wrote:
The default brightness (40) was kind of low I think but I guess this depends on the hardware one uses.
I don't set the brightness at boot. That must be what the kernel choose by default.

OK.
Shouldn't /etc/brightness.conf takeover at some point though?


jamesbond wrote:
Quote:
I still find strange that at first reboot after you make a savefile, asks again for language/keyboard/time etc setup that were set on the first (from CD) boot.


The rationale is that when you do a pristine boot, you are probably just:
a) testing whether you like Fatdog or not
b) fixing stuff

In which case, you probably don't want to be bothered by having to answer questions you probably don't care of.

Once you've decided that Fatdog is there to stay (and create a savefile/savefolder to keep your personalised settings), that would be the good time to ask for the initial settings.

I see the point but if you are booting with a savefile in place I guess it means you consider it a keeper.
Maybe instead of going through the setup again by default, ask first or at least provide an explanation before restarting the setup.
Otherwise looks like that the settings did not stick, which is not a good second impression Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 10:05    Post subject: Fatdog64-720 Beta [1 Dec 2017]  

I started over and installed to the hard drive of my Acer Desktop:

# sh inxi -bw
System: Host: fatdog64-e81 Kernel: 4.14.2 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Openbox 3.5.2 Distro: Fatdog64 Linux 720
Machine: Device: desktop System: ACER product: Aspire M5620 v: R01-A4 serial: PTS860X0348050CF642700
Mobo: ACER model: G33T-AM v: 1.0 serial: 00000000 BIOS: American Megatrends v: R01-A4 date: 12/19/2007
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
hidpp__1: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU: Quad core Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1603/2403 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 387.34
Network: Card: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (0.7% used)
Weather: Conditions: 28 F (-2 C) - Overcast Time: December 2, 8:57 AM EST
Info: Processes: 167 Uptime: 1:08 Memory: 687.6/7983.6MB Client: Shell (sh) inxi: 2.3.51
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It's working okay so far,
Thanks.
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chiron²

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 10:27    Post subject:  

Downloaded and tested. Great. The first Puppy-like OS ever to run on an Thinkpad X61 Tablet AND recognize the Wacom Pen and touchscreen. Thanks to Xinput ootb. Did use savefile from 710, works OK so far, only my panels/docks are gone, but that is a minor prolem.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 10:39    Post subject:  

Code:
Dell XPS M1530
Processor   : 2x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7250  @ 2.00GHz
Memory: 2047MB (245MB used)
Resolution: 1280x800 pixels
OpenGL Renderer: NV84


All working fine. Boots to desktop with drive icons showing in under 30s.
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jake29

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 11:21    Post subject:  

Keef wrote:
Code:
Dell XPS M1530
Processor   : 2x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7250  @ 2.00GHz
Memory: 2047MB (245MB used)
Resolution: 1280x800 pixels
OpenGL Renderer: NV84


All working fine. Boots to desktop with drive icons showing in under 30s.

Core 2 Duo CPU (E4500) @ 2.20GHz / Memory: 3338MB. *Full install w/o Bootloader* - This build of FatDog64 boots quickly and without issue.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 11:28    Post subject:  

External USB hard drive

Did a frugal install of Fatdog64-720 Beta

Used this to do the install running from Xenialpup64 7.5.
Yapi
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107601

Used Grub4dos bootloader config to setup a boot loader on the drive.

What should the boot menu entry really look like?

Here are the options.

1. (this is what Grub4dos config made it)

Code:
title Fatdog64 (sdc5/Fatdog64720b)
  uuid 19b0847a-549d-49c9-8c98-25af56f1d0ee
  kernel /Fatdog64720b/vmlinuz psubdir=Fatdog64720b pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /Fatdog64720b/initrd


2. (I modified it)

Code:
title Fatdog64 (sdc5/Fatdog64720b)
  uuid 19b0847a-549d-49c9-8c98-25af56f1d0ee
  kernel /Fatdog64720b/vmlinuz rootfstype=ramfs
  initrd /Fatdog64720b/initrd


3. (I modified it)

Code:
title Fatdog64-720b
  rootnoverify (hd0,4)
  kernel /Fatdog64720b/vmlinuz savefile=direct:device:sdc5:/Fatdog64720b/fd64save
  initrd /Fatdog64720b/initrd



I too saw the slow to bootup.
It booted to the point of message:
Code:
linux-bzImage, etc..........

Hung there for a long time.
No message about what is happening.
Finally got to a working desktop.

The only problem with this.
It looks like the computer is locked up or frozen.
Nothing indicates it is still in the bootup process.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Dec 2017, 11:55    Post subject:  

to bigpup....

I noticed something strange.
Your device is ---> device:sdc5

Whereas the system is looking for (hd0,4) which is the 5th partition on sda Rolling Eyes
Could that be causing the delay in booting???

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In my situation I have saved to a folder (fd64save-folder) rather than a save file ---> I believe that is an option when you first make a savefile??
and I am using the hard drive that the kernel recognizes --> sda

Code:


title fatdog 710 (sda1/fd64save-folder)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /fatdog710/initrd
  kernel /fatdog710/vmlinuz   psubdir=fatdog710 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck savefile=direct:device:sda1:/fd64save-folder
  initrd /fatdog710/initrd
 

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It boots quickly. If it isn't booting quickly then it is having recognition problems.

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