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check5


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2018, 15:51    Post subject:  

No but if you want to use steam with e.g Proton in the future, you need a mesa 18.2x and LLVM 7.x.
see
https://www.golem.de/news/steam-play-und-proton-wie-valve-windows-spiele-auf-linux-bringen-will-1812-138309.html (german)

That's why I'm interested in it, and if you can not explain that to me here in this Forum then where?

I think here in the forum are the puppy linux experts or not? I'm not synonymous with BionicDog in general but all the derivatives of puppy linux, if you want to compile something yourself ...

I hope that did not sound provocative now. If so: that's not how it is meant.

Can everyone help me?
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2018, 16:48    Post subject:  

check5 wrote:
No but if you want to use steam with e.g Proton in the future, you need a mesa 18.2x and LLVM 7.x.
see
https://www.golem.de/news/steam-play-und-proton-wie-valve-windows-spiele-auf-linux-bringen-will-1812-138309.html (german)

That's why I'm interested in it, and if you can not explain that to me here in this Forum then where?

I think here in the forum are the puppy linux experts or not? I'm not synonymous with BionicDog in general but all the derivatives of puppy linux, if you want to compile something yourself ...

I hope that did not sound provocative now. If so: that's not how it is meant.

Can everyone help me?


This is a link to the "proposed" already compiled binary for mesa 18.2.x for Ubuntu Bionic.
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/s390x/libegl-mesa0/18.2.2-0ubuntu1~18.04.1

This is the llvm page. Not seeing 1.7 yet.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/llvm

Someone else may be around to help you compile it yourself, but as a general rule, that isn't necessary for things based on Ubuntu.
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan 2019, 15:31    Post subject:  

Hi All, ETP, s-kami

I noticed that there's a video review of BionicDog Cinnamon version on YouTube from Kálmán Staudinger (is forum member s-kami and also known from this great website: https://skamilinux.hu/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq_leIWgP4U
I don't understand hungarian, but it looked like a big struggle to finally (at 25:17) get to the Cinnamon Desktop. Rolling Eyes
@s-kami, if you read this maybe you can comment yourself.
After the preparation intro you tried for more than 10 min to get to a working desktop (you are a very patient man, btw Laughing ). What happened ? Smile Something wrong with the way we prepared BionicDog Cinnamon ?
For the rest, great video !

Or maybe someone who understands hungarian can comment ?
Something with monitor, hdmi, as far I can understand.

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Jan 2019, 08:06    Post subject:  

Hi Fred,

LBW ???

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Jan 2019, 18:30    Post subject:  

ETP wrote:
Hi Fred,

LBW ???


Ah, of course LBW, I knew it must have to do something with cricket Laughing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/rules_and_equipment/4176136.stm
No... curious, what's LBW ??

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan 2019, 16:33    Post subject:  

Hi Fred,

We have an expression "To fail to prepare is to prepare to fail".
I don't think that s-kami did a dry 'run' before he embarked on his ambitious live YouTube broadcast.
I was drawing a comparison with a batsman who fails to prepare to correctly strike or block the ball with the
bat and can frequently be out - LBW.
I remain "stumped" but suspect a screen resolution mismatch caused by the broadcast starting before the actual boot.

Rather than speculate further I will send him a pm to see whether he can explain.

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan 2019, 17:22    Post subject:  

Hi all,

Thank you very much for your attention.

The main problem was the HDMI connection on the second display.
Unable to detect or setup correctly.
You need zarfy or any other tool for multiple screen but this puppy does not contain such utility.
I switched to VGA from HDMI and finally worked the second display but that was lower resolution than it is usual...

..so Cinnamon DE not able to handle more display or HDMI ?
This puppy cannot handle more display and you are not able to use any tool for setting resolution and any kind of issue about that.

Precise, tahr or xenial puplets are ready for multiple screen setup but this one is not. That is the problem.
Thank you for you kind interest!

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan 2019, 17:22    Post subject:  

...2x times posting... delete this pls...
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan 2019, 18:12    Post subject:  

Thanks ETP.
(just read your message about PM to s-kami )

In fact I was just kidding / guessing about what you said about LBW, but appears to be in the right direction Smile
Interesting to know about the technical details that s-kami may possibly give, if he replies, thanks in advance if you can get more info about that.

And to be honest, I initially just wanted to mention that there's a BD Cinnamon version video review on YouTube, and, although I don't understand hungary language, s-kami is doing a lot for promoting linux , and he is very nice and funny guy (IMO as I see on the video) Smile

EDIT: @s-kami
Thanks, just see your reply above.

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cochranizer


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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2019, 01:03    Post subject: About apt2sfs...  

I was using apt2sfs earlier this week, and I like the idea of using that program to make a whole distro just by using the apt-get tool, as I find it difficult to make an sfs modification without making much mistakes (such as accidentally leaving in personal residue and bash history). But the problem is, I don't really know what packages are required to make the sfs bootable and chrootable.
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2019, 05:34    Post subject:  

Hi cochranizer,

Quote:
I was using apt2sfs earlier this week, and I like the idea of using that program to make a whole distro just by using the apt-get tool, as I find it difficult to make an sfs modification without making much mistakes (such as accidentally leaving in personal residue and bash history). But the problem is, I don't really know what packages are required to make the sfs bootable and chrootable.


Well, I don't know what you'd like it to be based on, but for Debian Stretch there is the "mklive-stretch" script, it can build a full OS, by using debootstrap and installing with apt-get in chroot (similar to what apt2sfs does)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=111199
(but note that it's not puppy and using completely different way of building than Woof-Ce)
Another option may be to use rcrsn51's starter-kit (also based on Stretch), install what you like and make a remaster (e.g. by using "quick-remaster", for frugal install only)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112784

BionicDog is also built by using debootstrap, very basic info here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=990052#990052

EDIT: Here's more info, also about "making bootable"
https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2019, 00:28    Post subject: Try Update Cinnamon Desktop from PPA  

I tried updating cinnamon desktop from ppa:embrosyn/cinnamon, update everything. After restarting the xorg, the desktop was missing.I know that it was nemo-desktop which cannot run in root.
My question is how to be able to run nemo-desktop as root
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2019, 12:21    Post subject: Re: Try Update Cinnamon Desktop from PPA  

quantumbox wrote:
I tried updating cinnamon desktop from ppa:embrosyn/cinnamon, update everything. After restarting the xorg, the desktop was missing.I know that it was nemo-desktop which cannot run in root.
My question is how to be able to run nemo-desktop as root


Hi quantumbox, to be honest, I don't know, the nemo-desktop (included in BD-Cinnamon) runs as root for me:
Code:
root@live64:~# ps aux | grep nemo-desktop
root      1927  2.6  1.8 717288 37908 tty1     Sl   17:08   0:01 nemo-desktop


Are you sure it cannot run as root ? If so, then apparently something has been changed in the updated Cinnamon version.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2019, 16:31    Post subject: Re: Try Update Cinnamon Desktop from PPA  

Hi quantumbox,

The Cinnamon edition of BionicDog was modified in true Puppy fashion to run everything as root.
That entailed forcing some items not normally run as root to do so including:

chromium (Tested then removed. Poses no real problem whilst the root flag continues to exist)
vlc
cups
nemo-desktop
pulseaudio

In the above list nemo-desktop is the name of the binary held in /usr/bin/
In Ubuntu, nemo acts as a file manager AND graphical shell for Cinnamon.
Last August OOTB, Cinnamon 3.6.7 was installed and Ubuntu show no signs of issuing any official updates.

For some reason you have attempted to update it to 3.8.9.1 using an unofficial PPA which was intended for normal Ubuntu Bionic
which would not be running as root.
In general one would only use a PPA to obtain some vital app that was not available in the official Ubuntu repositories.
Even then you use a PPA at your own peril. For something of fundamental importance like a window manager using a PPA
to force the issue is not generally a good idea. It is safer to wait for the official update to be rolled out.

You now have a number of options assuming you can access the terminal. Please say which you would prefer:

1. Attempt to persuade 3.8.9.1 to work which may or may not be possible as it is an unknown quantlty.

2. Uninstall 3.8.9.1 in which case you should be able to revert to the original 3.6.7 and modified nemo-desktop file which are still held in the read only 01-filesystem.squashfs file.

3. Using another Pup, delete the complete contents of your changes folder to return to the OOTB state.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2019, 19:28    Post subject: Re: Try Update Cinnamon Desktop from PPA  

ETP wrote:
Hi quantumbox,

The Cinnamon edition of BionicDog was modified in true Puppy fashion to run everything as root.
That entailed forcing some items not normally run as root to do so including:

chromium (Tested then removed. Poses no real problem whilst the root flag continues to exist)
vlc
cups
nemo-desktop
pulseaudio

In the above list nemo-desktop is the name of the binary held in /usr/bin/
In Ubuntu, nemo acts as a file manager AND graphical shell for Cinnamon.
Last August OOTB, Cinnamon 3.6.7 was installed and Ubuntu show no signs of issuing any official updates.

For some reason you have attempted to update it to 3.8.9.1 using an unofficial PPA which was intended for normal Ubuntu Bionic
which would not be running as root.
In general one would only use a PPA to obtain some vital app that was not available in the official Ubuntu repositories.
Even then you use a PPA at your own peril. For something of fundamental importance like a window manager using a PPA
to force the issue is not generally a good idea. It is safer to wait for the official update to be rolled out.

You now have a number of options assuming you can access the terminal. Please say which you would prefer:

1. Attempt to persuade 3.8.9.1 to work which may or may not be possible as it is an unknown quantlty.

2. Uninstall 3.8.9.1 in which case you should be able to revert to the original 3.6.7 and modified nemo-desktop file which are still held in the read only 01-filesystem.squashfs file.

3. Using another Pup, delete the complete contents of your changes folder to return to the OOTB state.


Thanks for the information, maybe I just need to wait until the official version is released, I have no problem reverting to previous state. I always back up the save folder to tar.gz, before doing the experiment
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