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Which is the latest 32-bit Puppy that can save to a live CD?
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hamoudoudou

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 12:35    Post subject: I still have CD (CD !) with sessions registered on it.  

I still have CD (CD !) with sessions registered on it. i think it's french Toutou 4.3.1 I have DVDs too, with sessions registered on it.. Bad souvenirs.. How many hours spent to find one CD trademark which do it.. I will give info later. Because lot of criteria are needed, not only trademark, but where the CD was built (Made in india, or Mexico or ... Marocco). Viva USBs, never i will burn again CD or DVD, excepted if i want to keep a Puppy which i suppose to disappear (PolarpupQT 005 is one of them, but i failed with multissessions)
Furthermore Some CDs can be played only on cd-burner where they were burn. A Nightmare !
I think Puppy is not the criteria, but CD.. It was dificult to find CD-RW 4 years ago, not available in all shops.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 13:38    Post subject:  

tallboy wrote:
...Flash:
How much RAM do you have?
I have 2 x 2GB sticks of RAM in this computer, but even 64-bit Puppies say there's only a little over 3GB of memory. Maybe that's because the video card is reserving the difference or maybe I got cheated on the RAM sticks. Still, 3 GB has been plenty for me to do everything I want, including remastering.

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How much RAM and HDD space is required for doing a remaster?
I don't use a hard disk drive at all for anything, haven't used one for years. My luck with them has been dismal, so I don't use them. I do have several flash drives plugged into USB ports, but I haven't used them for extra memory while remastering. I don't remember how much memory remastering used but there has always been enough RAM to do the job.

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Have you saved your sessions to the disc?
No. Bionic Beaver doesn't do multisession. I wish it did. Sad

Barry's remastering program included the stuff I installed and the settings I made to Puppy but didn't include my browser settings or the puppy acpi=off that has to be entered each time the DVD is booted. I don't know what I have to manually add to the remastered stuff to make those things work.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 16:20    Post subject:  

I'm running the latest Bionic Beaver 18.05A as a multi-session DVD.

In my case the size doesn't matter because I've got plenty of ram and some swap.
Other than being unable to load an sfs things are working well.

Code:

# inxi -Fxx
System:    Host: puppypc21002 Kernel: 4.9.96-lxpup-32-pae i686 (32 bit gcc: 7.3.0)
           Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 dm: N/A Distro: UPupBB 18.05
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: M5A97 LE R2.0 v: Rev 1.xx serial: 150545593600028
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: 2601 date: 03/24/2015
CPU:       Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 42138
           clock speeds: min/max: 1400/3500 MHz 1: 1400 MHz 2: 2000 MHz
           3: 1400 MHz 4: 1400 MHz 5: 2000 MHz 6: 1400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0a65
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.6 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0be3
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.96-lxpup-32-pae
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000
           bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
           IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 1c:87:2c:5a:bb:e2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1200.3GB (0.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 120.0GB serial: N/A
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB serial: N/A
           ID-3: /dev/sdc model: 0JB size: 80.0GB serial: N/A
           ID-1: swap-1 size: 8.60GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb5
RAID:      System: supported: linear raid0 raid1 raid10 raid6 raid5 raid4
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 20.9C mobo: N/A gpu: 43.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 192 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 270.0/16111.6MB
           Init: SysVinit v: N/A runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.191 running in lxterminal) inxi: 2.3.8



Code:
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 19:12    Post subject:  

hamoudoudou wrote:
Furthermore Some CDs can be played only on cd-burner where they were burn.

I think that problem usually happens with laptops.
Quote:
If it does, and does so satisfactorily, perhaps you might consider publishing your remastered ISO for those Puppy fans similarly situated.
If it doesn't, then let us know that as well.

Yes, of course I will do that, Mike
Flash wrote:
Have you saved your sessions to the disc?
No. Bionic Beaver doesn't do multisession. I wish it did.

Hmmm.
James C wrote:
I'm running the latest Bionic Beaver 18.05A as a multi-session DVD.

Hmmmmm.

I wonder, could there be a difference between saving to a CD or DVD? Could there be differences in the 'save session to disc' code? I'll try to dig out some code examples from the .isos.
I have always used CD/DVD -R discs without any problems, never -RW discs.

I'll download and install the BiBe, and see what happens.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 19:17    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
I'm running the latest Bionic Beaver 18.05A as a multi-session DVD.
How? I know there must be a script or something that makes it work, but I never bothered to find out if it could be ported to versions of Puppy that didn't come with it. Is there a .pet that adds it?

tallboy wrote:
Hmmmmm.

I wonder, could there be a difference between saving to a CD or DVD? Could there be differences in the 'save session to disc' code? I'll try to dig out some code examples from the .isos.
I have always used CD/DVD -R discs without any problems, never -RW discs.
Multisession was not in the original CD specifications. It just sort of grew out of necessity and opportunity. Each manufacturer implemented it their own way. Later versions of the CD specification did include multisession, but by then everyone was already doing it wrong. Laughing Multisession was included in the DVD specification, so it works much better from a DVD than from a CD.
That said, rewritable DVDs are handy for trying out lots of new Puppies but my experience is that if they're more than five years old they should be thrown away. Stick with DVD-R or DVD+R for the Puppies you want to keep.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 19:57    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
James C wrote:
I'm running the latest Bionic Beaver 18.05A as a multi-session DVD.
How? I know there must be a script or something that makes it work, but I never bothered to find out if it could be ported to versions of Puppy that didn't come with it. Is there a .pet that adds it?


Didn't do anything out of the ordinary.Burned the DVD with burniso2cd then rebooted.When I shut down the save dialog came up then on the next screen clicked the save to cd button. no pets,no scripts just the default 18.05A iso.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 21:00    Post subject:  

I'll be damned. I never thought of just shutting down. It seems so final when you're running from RAM.

So all this time I've been saying that recent Puppies can't do multisession when they can? Why didn't someone set me straight? Embarassed

Thanks! You just made my day. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 21:53    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
So all this time I've been saying that recent Puppies can't do multisession when they can? Why didn't someone set me straight?


You are now touching the issue that I have been trying to point out in this thread:

NOT ALL RECENT PUPPIES CAN SAVE TO A MULTISESSION CD, BUT I AM

DOING MY BEST TO FIND OUT WHICH ONES THAT CAN!
Confused

When you use the SAVE option in the shutdown dialog the first time, you activate a script that ask if you want to save to disc. If you confirm your intentions to do so, you also activate a script that places a SAVE button on your desktop for future, random saves to disc, without having to use the shutdown dialog, if you prefer that. You may want to save important work as you go along. See script code below.
I think that the contents of those scripts may have changed over time, and that some of the makers of new puppies might even have found them too old to include in a late version.
And for the record, I did just what James C described, I used the shutdown dialog. My problem is that it didn't work in musher0's xenialPup-7.0.6 32-bits with kernel 4.1 when I tried to save to a multisession CD. I might have worked with a DVD, but as I told, my ancient hardware usually don't have a DVD burner, if I'm lucky they have a CD burner.

Flash wrote:
I don't know what I have to manually add to the remastered stuff to make those things work

Simple, don't throw away the old /root and /etc dirs as the remaster program suggest, just edit them instead! That's what I do.

Moderators: To avoid misunderstandings, I have renamed this thread:
Which is the latest 32-bit Puppy that can save to a live CD?

From Lucid 5.2.8.7: /usr/sbin/savesession-dvd
Code:
#!/bin/sh
#(c) Copyright Barry Kauler 2006 www.puppylinux.com
#2007 Lesser GPL licence v2 (http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/lgpl.html)
#BK updated may 2007 for 2.16.
#BK updated v2.22, sync with rc.shutdown multisession bugfix.
#v3.01: BK 11 oct 2007, removed multisavefunc() to /etc/rc.d/functions4puppy.
#v412 /etc/DISTRO_SPECS, renamed pup_xxx.sfs, pup_save.2fs etc.
#v555 pup files renamed to woofr555.sfs, woofsave.2fs.
#w482 use xorriso instead of cdrtools/cdrkit if installed.

#/etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown saves session at shutdown, savesession-dvd is called
#from desktop icon to do an immediate save to multisession-cd.

#w482 use xorriso if it is installed (see also functions4puppy)...
CDRECORD='cdrecord'
MKISOFS='mkisofs'
if [ "`which xorriso`" != "" ];then
 CDRECORD='xorrecord'
 MKISOFS='xorrisofs' #growisofs reads this variable.
fi
export CDRECORD MKISOFS

#variables created at bootup by /initrd/usr/sbin/init...
. /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE #v2.02
. /etc/DISTRO_SPECS #v412
ORIGPUPMODE=$PUPMODE #v2.22
#PUPPYVERSION="`cat /etc/puppyversion`"

. /etc/rc.d/functions4puppy #v3.01 has multisavefunc.

CONSRUN="$1" #will execute multisavefunc from a rxvt console.
#...this script calls itself a second time, as multisavefunc uses dialog,
#   and runs without X.
#also test if X not running...
[ "`pidof X | grep '[0-9]'`" = "" ] && CONSRUN="yes"

if [ ! "$PUPSAVE" = "" ];then
 SAVEFS="`echo -n "$PUPSAVE" | cut -f 2 -d ','`"   #f.s. and partition where ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}save.2fs is located.
 SAVEPART="`echo -n "$PUPSAVE" | cut -f 1 -d ','`" # "
 SAVEFILE="`echo -n "$PUPSAVE" | cut -f 3 -d ','`"
else
 exit #v2.22
fi
CDR="/dev/$SAVEPART"


if [ ! "$CONSRUN" = "" ];then
 multisavefunc
 exit
fi


if [ "$PUPMODE" != "77" ];then
 xmessage -bg "indian red" -center -title "SaveSession-DVD" "Sorry, this is not a multisession live-CD/DVD"
 exit
fi
if [ "$CDR" = "" ];then
 xmessage -bg "indian red" -center -title "SaveSession-DVD" "Sorry, this is not a multisession live-CD/DVD"
 exit
fi


#before can save a session back to DVD, have to be sure that DVD is unmounted...
if [ "`mount | grep "$CDR"`" != "" ];then
 sync
 echo "Unmounting $CDR..."
 fuser -k -m $CDR
 sync
 umount $CDR
 if [ ! $? -eq 0 ];then
  xmessage -bg "indian red" -center -title "SaveSession: ERROR" "Sorry, $CDR is currently mounted and cannot be automatically
unmounted. You will need to unmount it manually.

Click OK button to quit..."
  exit
 fi
fi

xmessage -bg "#ffc0c0" -center -title "SaveSession" -buttons "SAVE:10,CANCEL:11" "This program takes a snapshot of changed and new files and
saves them to CD/DVD. For the multisession-CD/DVD, this happens
at shutdown, however, if you are working on critical files and
do not want to lose your work in case of a power-outage or
system crash (latter very unlikely), this program is a solution
-- just run it whenever you want to backup.

WARNING: CDs have much less space than DVDs, and there is more
wasted space in each saved session, meaning that a CD will fill
up fast. Therefore, for CDs use this Save script infrequently.

Click SAVE button to save session..."
[ ! $? -eq 10 ] && exit

#recursive execution...
exec rxvt -e /usr/sbin/savesession-dvd yes

###END###


There is also this funny little script in /ets/shutdown_save_mode Very Happy
Code:
#User-selectable flash drive save options:
#   ask = At shutdown, ask user whether to save to flash drive.
#Remove the "#" from an option below, to activate it.

#ask


The question about wanting to save to a multisession disc, is found at line 173 in /usr/sbin/shutdownconfig.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 23:20    Post subject:  

tallboy wrote:
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Flash wrote:
I don't know what I have to manually add to the remastered stuff to make those things work

Simple, don't throw away the old /root and /etc dirs as the remaster program suggest, just edit them instead! That's what I do.
Thanks, I'll look into that. Although if I can do multisession saves to the Puppy DVD instead of remastering, I won't need it.

Quote:
There is also this funny little script in /ets/shutdown_save_mode Very Happy
Code:
#User-selectable flash drive save options:
#   ask = At shutdown, ask user whether to save to flash drive.
#Remove the "#" from an option below, to activate it.

#ask

The question about wanting to save to a multisession disc, is found at line 173 in /usr/sbin/shutdownconfig.
Forum member Ted Dog messed around with multisession flash drives. Maybe this code is left over from that.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 02:45    Post subject:  

Since I had a few free moments I did a multisession Bionic CD.Possting from it now and already saved a session to the cd.Same process as the DVD earlier.

If memory serves, the last real multisession I used was Tahrpup so I have no idea about any releases between Tahr and Bionic.

But to answer the original question, the latest Pup to run from a multi-session CD is Bionic because I'm running it now.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 13:25    Post subject:  

James C, thank you very much! That is exactly what I wanted to know. Very Happy
I will try it later today, and report back.
I don't have my stack of other puppies on live CDs here, but I will go through them later and make a list of which works, and which don't.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 13:45    Post subject: Merci (for people still burning CDs, They are many)  

here we are... Just nobody thought about this process for Bionic.. Merci (for people still burning CDs, They are many)
Nothing to do... Hum But IMO CD model (trademark and where built) is a key for success.
Burniso2cd not in the menu But included in apps, see topic
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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 14:39    Post subject:  

Quote:
here we are... Just nobody thought about this process for Bionic..

hamoudoudou, I always use this process, the problem is that it haven't worked in all puppies.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 20:19    Post subject:  

I am happy to report success with UPup Biobnic Beaver 18.05! It automatically found my network , which is cabled to/from a wifi router. And, it saves to a live multisession CD, as James C described. It definitely need a remastering, but I am very satisfied so far. Very Happy
I don't know yet, if this pc and my other old machines like this new kernel or not, we'll see!

To those not familiar with saving to a multisession CD:
Just follow the onscreen instructions, until at the end you start the save process. Your screen will then go into terminal mode, and show some lines of blue colored text, as long as the write-to-disc process is running, something like: if this text stay on the screen for a long time, click enter.
DON'T CLICK ENTER, that will stop the save process. It takes the time it need, and the text go away when finished.
You also need to enter the setup menus to find a better place for the SAVE button, which popup in the middle of the screen after the first session save, see screenshot. Very Happy

▶—— COMPUTER MEMORY ——◀

Personal Storage: RAM Disk
Size Used Free Use%
3.8G 279M 3.5G 8%

Memory Allocation:
Total RAM: 991 MB
Used RAM: 771 MB
Free RAM: 220 MB
Buffers: 117 MB
Cached: 526 MB
Total Swap: 6159 MB
Free Swap: 6155 MB

Actual Used RAM: 128 MB Used - (buffers + cached)
Actual Free RAM: 863 MB Free + (buffers + cached)
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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 23:11    Post subject:  

The best way to "remaster" a multisession CD or DVD is to burn a new CD or DVD of the same Puppy iso as the multisession Puppy you're running, using burniso2cd or Pburn, then click the Save icon on your multisession Puppy's desktop and choose to save to the CD or DVD you just burned. This will combine all the saved sessions on the old CD or DVD into one saved session on the CD or DVD you just burned. And you will still have the old multisession CD or DVD as a backup copy. I don't know how it could get any better than that. Very Happy
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