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GarySmith

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2018, 07:09    Post subject: XenialPup64 Machine Overheating (Edited)  

(Edited)

Over heaters have it and I thank you for sending me that way. Paranoia of YouTube's anti-posting ended.

On a separate Windows7 machine -- no shutting down.

On a separate WinXP Like machine -- no shutting down.

On my original XenialPup64 machine and when using Windows CorelDraw8 compatible LinuxLite3.8, 64-bit load -- shutting down. These machines were not shutting down off the Internet.

The XenialPup64 temperature monitor always starts at about a range of 27-28 degrees but can go as high as 31-3[8] (edit).

My CD/DVD and hard drive housing easily removes. This may sound unusual but it seems to be a hard drive overheating as it is half way to being pretty hot. I'm going to find an additional fan and blow toward the drive or near a vent from outside the case. Wonder if YouTube is hard drive intensive???

After checking out Pale Moon loaded onto my LinuxXP Like downloading, made default browser and it's running pretty good.

Will update.

Gary

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2018, 11:20    Post subject:  

Quote:
The XenialPup64 temperature monitor always starts at about a range of 27-28 degrees but can go as high as 31-33.

That is not getting very hot.
Too hot would be 70, 80, or higher temps.

Pup-sysinfo>Devices>Sensors
See what it shows for temp readings.

Quote:
On my original XenialPup64 machine and when using Windows CorelDraw8 compatible LinuxLite3.8, 64-bit load -- shutting down.

That to me indicates that program has problems.

If you have a hard drive getting hot.
Time for a new drive.
That is probably a good indication the drive motor in it is going out.
However,
Quote:
The normal temperature of a hard drive is from 40C° to 50C° when it is in work. The temperature of HDD should not be more than 70 C°. An IDE hard drive is usually from 30 C° to 50 C°. It probably causes data loss or even worse it may damage the hard drive when its temperature is up to 100 C°.


Hard Drive Overheating Symptoms
https://www.icare-recovery.com/howto/hard-drive-overheating.html

Do not overlook the possibility the memory may have a problem. Could be going bad.

If this is a laptop or a somewhat older desktop computer.
Open it up and check the security of all connections.
Anything that plugs into something.
Over time, connections can work loose, and it does not take much to make a loose connection cause anything to happen.
Also look at general condition of everything.

Capacitors going bad is a big problem in older computers.
Check for bulging or leaking capacitors.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2018, 22:34    Post subject: Thanks BigPup  

That was useful information and I will reread for the details. Maybe my hard drive was heating but not over heating. Whenever I hit YouTube for a few minutes I'm getting hit with a locked up OS. I'm starting to get a little paranoid again.

I'm using a fresh load of Linux Puppy XP Like on a 32-bit machine not my regular 64. This Pale Moon web browser is helpful.

Only Google's YouTube. Hummm...not sure what to think anymore.

Gary

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2018, 23:55    Post subject:  

Hi GarySmith.

If you have a tower-type PC, one easy and no-expense way to cool it
down is to remove the side panel -- and leave it off.

You can also get a small 3" USB fan (at Canadian Tire, was CAD$12 a
couple of years ago) and direct it full-blast inside the PC towards where
the hard-drive and CPU are located.

Other "cooling" Smile ideas, if you have a little money:
-- a dedicated hard-drive cooler. It has a fan in front of where you sit
your hard-drive.

-- if it's an old PC, the power unit itself may need to be seriously
vacuumed -- or even changed. New ones have a powerful fan inside a
meshed cage that cools all the inside of the PC. (Old ones had a
solid cage, so the stream of air stayed inside the power unit.)

-- Get the dust out of the wings of that CPU heat-sink using a (very) soft
felt pipe-cleaner and a compressed air can. (Will set you off 5-6 bucks.
With the computer completely off AND completely unplugged!!!)

IHTH.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2018, 05:21    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Hi GarySmith.

If you have a tower-type PC, one easy and no-expense way to cool it
down is to remove the side panel -- and leave it off.

You can also get a small 3" USB fan (at Canadian Tire, was CAD$12 a
couple of years ago) and direct it full-blast inside the PC towards where
the hard-drive and CPU are located.

Other "cooling" Smile ideas, if you have a little money:
-- a dedicated hard-drive cooler. It has a fan in front of where you sit
your hard-drive.

-- if it's an old PC, the power unit itself may need to be seriously
vacuumed -- or even changed. New ones have a powerful fan inside a
meshed cage that cools all the inside of the PC. (Old ones had a
solid cage, so the stream of air stayed inside the power unit.)

-- Get the dust out of the wings of that CPU heat-sink using a (very) soft
felt pipe-cleaner and a compressed air can. (Will set you off 5-6 bucks.
With the computer completely off AND completely unplugged!!!)

IHTH.


Really great ideas...

I take my PCs out ever six months to a year for blowing with my AC blower designed for PCs. Yes, that was a rather expensive "can of air".

With two different PC loads of Xenial and Puppy XP shutting down there has to be another reason. Why the Windows7 PC surfed with no problem not sure. Sometimes it can take a little longer than other times when hitting YouTube to start freezing my OS load.

In my 007 mind, could it be that Linux is difficult to monitor but Windows easier? Isn't Google supposed to be a company, like Facebook, monitoring the public??? Am I being steered toward Windows???

Curious Gary
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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2018, 06:23    Post subject: Been Surfing...  

I've been surfing for over fifteen minutes using Puppy XP Like and OS-stop troubles are cleared away as far as Linux or even Pale Moon are concerned.

They do want my telephone number if I were allowed to sign-in. I never give my telephone number out to strangers and few that I know, so why would I want Google / YouTube to give me a telephone call???

Haven't gone back to my 64-bit machine with XenialPup64 as yet. Still working on how to ad an internal fan. For another machine I have cut a power supply fan out and placed that creature right over my CPU and I believe PS fans are almost indestructible. This will not work for fans with an "intelligence" reading with the motherboard.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2018, 06:24    Post subject:  

Hey, Gary!

Don't philosophize it! This isn't a struggle between your Linux Guardian
Angel and your WhineDose Evil Angel !!! Laughing

Facebook, I don't know, but certainly Google wouldn't push you towards
WhineDose, since they now have their own line of portable PCs.

Linux has always had a track record of getting more out of a PC than
WhineDose, so much so that a 5-year-old PC with say the latest Ubuntu
can be nose-to-nose performance wise with the latest Whinedose on the
latest hardware.

It may be something as simple as a plug-in that you have on your Linux
browser and that you don't have on your WhineDose browser.

Or different configs on those ad-blockers? The Linux devs can be dead
serious about ad-blocking. WhineDose devs? Not so sure.

Are you using Puppy's Pup-Advert-Blocker to populate your hosts file in
/etc? There's one that is Puppy-specific.

Just a thought. Anyway, you look like an articulate guy; I'm sure you'll
eventually find where the sore is.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2018, 06:31    Post subject:  

N-E-V-E-R give personal data of any kind to people you do not know,
especially over the Internet.

Your family and friends, your doctor, your professional association, maybe.
Even so, for this kind of thing, postal service is much more secure. Even
better: person-to-person, face-to-face.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2018, 06:46    Post subject:  

Hey Mush,

As a Gmail user like Gary I have noticed Gmail give you the option to use your phone number as a way of identifying whether it is really you logging into an email account. Personally I find them over the top with this example I often use different devices to log in to my gmail and they see it as an unauthorized login like somebody is trying to break into my account because of this I was unable to login at the library.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 May 2018, 05:01    Post subject: G-mail Intrusive  

darry19662018 wrote:
Hey Mush,

As a Gmail user like Gary I have noticed Gmail give you the option to use your phone number as a way of identifying whether it is really you logging into an email account. Personally I find them over the top with this example I often use different devices to log in to my gmail and they see it as an unauthorized login like somebody is trying to break into my account because of this I was unable to login at the library.


Yes, G-mail is careful not to let me sign-in from an "unknown" device. What is their concern as long as the log-in and password is correct??? Right. In addition, who cares when they e-mail me telling that someone (myself) has tried to get into my account. I think this is a part of the trigger for the invasive question "please give us your telephone number" which is the only option. I believe they are trying to be more than my friend.

Probably why I'm paranoid about IPs and hosts.

Gary

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PostPosted: Wed 30 May 2018, 05:11    Post subject: Hard Drive Hot  

Great help and my hard drive has been hotter than I'd normally expect.

I've placed my PC on its side covering larger square footage than its normal standing profile. On top is an AC soft blade fan blowing downward into a ventilation above the processor that has its own heat sink and fan. This slow-speed fan should help the hard drive but has overall.

The results on my XPup64 heat monitor are astonishing and not rising out of the 20s. I suspect my YouTube experience will not shut down by freezing the OS but will update.

Thank you all,

Gary
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PostPosted: Wed 30 May 2018, 06:36    Post subject: External Fan Overheating Drive  

Been surfing YouTube and CPU temperature never went above 32 but when without the fan blowing into the case was seeing as high as 38.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 01:35    Post subject:  

Hi Gary.

Here's one thing I forgot to mention. Perhaps it can help.

Some BIOS' (not all) have a temperature section where you can set the PC
to shut down when its CPU reaches a certain temperature. If this setting is
set too low on your PC, it may account for the behavior. If your BIOS has
such a section, I would suggest NOT to set it over 80-85 C. (A lower
temperature is always better, but a man needs leg room!)

IHTH. BFN.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 06:18    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Hi Gary.

Here's one thing I forgot to mention. Perhaps it can help.

Some BIOS' (not all) have a temperature section where you can set the PC to shut down when its CPU reaches a certain temperature. If this setting is set too low on your PC, it may account for the behavior. If your BIOS has such a section, I would suggest NOT to set it over 80-85 C. (A lower temperature is always better, but a man needs leg room!)

IHTH. BFN.


Musher is one of the best technical pulling "dogs" on the team. Yes, I have seen that temperature setting in the BIOS but not tinkered with a change. In the past I've burned up a processor in an experimental application using a whole PC within an enclosed setting. That time I had a spare processor. Thanks.

Gary
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 18:36    Post subject: Browser Linux  

puppyluvr wrote:
Very Happy Hello,
Yes, there is... Many...
I once released a Puppy Linux with 12 browsers.
If your question relates to running a modern browser on an older puppy it's an almost insurmountable problem.
However the latest Puppies will run the latest browsers with ease.
It all has to do with which libc and which gtk version the puppy has a built-in.. older puppies ran older versions of both.. newer puppies run the most up-to-date versions..
So in short, as an answer to your most "generic" question, yes...


Hi PuppyLvr,
Where is the puppy linux with the 12 browsers? I just want to have a browser that works well on facebook and be able to watch videos elsewhere or do webinars as well.
Thanks
Michel
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