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New sub-forum for official Puppylinux releases
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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 04:57    Post subject:  

mfb wrote:
Quote:
Our users have posted a total of 981799 articles
The point is?

mfb wrote:
A closed thread with a few short links to any Official versions would provide an easily implemented and sensible answer.

musher0 gets little right - even his signature - it's not Ockham from England - it's Punch from Ireland.
William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347) said it 3 centuries before John Punch
(1603–1661) stole the idea.

mfb wrote:
At least three times musher0 threatened to start another Forum,
Before forum member augras decided to open the ElkArte Puppy
forum, I made members here aware that there were at least two ad hoc
solutions for regaining control of a polluted thread:
-- https://www.quicktopic.com and
-- https://www.chatzy.com
Third time, someone knowledgeable in forums and telecoms finally saw
eye to eye with me.
So they were not idle threats. Research was done, and information was
distributed on this board.

mfb wrote:
(...) sometimes saying that Flash is a clueless and useless moderator because Flash doesn't speak French.
I have great respect for Flash. He is a fine technical moderator,
certainly. Sometimes he does content editing as well. Language has
nothing to do with it. But he only one person.

mfb wrote:
Well, it's musher0 who's clueless, careless and virtually useless and that's easily demonstrated - last time I looked the new French Forum had reached a total of 7 (seven) members.
Quality better than quantity? Besides, "Rome was not build in a day."
How many members did this forum have after a month's operation?

In any case, your entire post is Q.E.D., "what needed to be
demonstrated": so sincere thanks to you for that, mfb.

Personal attacks such as yours would not be tolerated on a content
moderated forum, such as LinuxQuestions, UnixStackExchange,
CommentCaMarche (known in English as HowThingsWork), etc.
That is the level of quality this forum should always aim for.
It's at that level some of the time only, unfortunately.

Regards.

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 08:18    Post subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
dancytron wrote:

1. Official, Final Puppies. These would strictly be the ones declared final and Mick01 puts on the puppy.com website. These http://puppylinux.com/download.html

There seems to be some issues with the above website. Maybe 01micko is working on it.

It's working for me, and has always worked for me, even in Firefox 28. What browser/version/OS are using and what is the issue you're having? This link seems like a good reference point for what mavrothal wants (links to official puppies on the forum) although the Slacko 6.3.2 link points to a website instead.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 12:58    Post subject:  

This grand re-organization plan is a stupid idea. Wishful thinking and pipe dreaming. Why do you guys want to put an additional burden on John Murga's shoulders? It will be a lot of work for very little gain.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 13:56    Post subject:  

These are the official Puppies.
http://puppylinux.com

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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 14:02    Post subject:  

NOOOOO !

NOT on John Murga's shoulders!!! Not here.

If you post news about official Puppies on a thread here, rest assured that
¾ down the first page, there will be a fork to another subject.

This is the kind of forum this is.

We need a separate, content-moderated forum for such announcements --
and eventually discussion.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 14:31    Post subject:  

Feel free to start your own. Who would you get to be the moderator?
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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 14:47    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
smokey01 wrote:
dancytron wrote:

1. Official, Final Puppies. These would strictly be the ones declared final and Mick01 puts on the puppy.com website. These http://puppylinux.com/download.html

There seems to be some issues with the above website. Maybe 01micko is working on it.

It's working for me, and has always worked for me, even in Firefox 28. What browser/version/OS are using and what is the issue you're having? This link seems like a good reference point for what mavrothal wants (links to official puppies on the forum) although the Slacko 6.3.2 link points to a website instead.

My router seems to be blocked from the site. Any browser connected to my router can't access the site. If I use 4G on my phone I can.

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 14:48    Post subject:  

i agree that reorganizing would be too much work for john
(who i would like to thank for providing this forum)
i really like this forum
and the people on it
even though sometimes you have to have a thick skin

here is a simple and easy idea

start a thread in the beginners section
that discusses the official puppies
and has links to the various projects
it could even be sticky so it stays on top

people would sidetrack things
but then everyone could post to keep things back on topic
the thread should be pretty busy
so the topic (and flagship puppies) should remain in focus

this could do a number of things

1. people (especially newbies and me)
would have an obvious place to look to see what were
the official puppies
and info on what they were all about
the links to the projects would provide depth

2. you could compliment the various work
so that the creators could have some positive feedback
from the whole community not
just scattered on the myriad of threads

3. many other good things

just to start things off
i am going to make the thread now and see how it goes
if it gets deleted and i get banned tell the world my story

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 14:58    Post subject:  

so, what do you guys think about global warming?
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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 15:55    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
so, what do you guys think about global warming?
Mavrothal?

You're late introducing a fork in this thread!!! Laughing

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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 15:59    Post subject:  

Hi Flash.
Flash wrote:
Feel free to start your own.
Don't push me. If a little money and a couple of trusted Puppyist friends
come along as partners/co-operators, I might just do that. (Also health
concerns are forcing me to keep my activities at a minimum at this time.)

Flash wrote:
Who would you get to be the moderator?
You!

With all due respect:
Am I correct in assuming that you cannot humanly apply the rules that do
exist on this board because you are the only moderator left and you cannot
oversee everything on this board all the time?

BFN.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 16:22    Post subject:  

@musher0: are you listening well?
http://linksdv.com/ruleta/bala.php?i=117afa4a1a28ecdc28ea21bd207c6cfb
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 16:27    Post subject:  

Starting a new forum would split the membership. That's the last thing Puppy needs. Not having enough people to test is bad enough as it is.

If there can't be a reorganization, if someone doesn't like a post because they think it is in the wrong place, then they need to PM the moderator. If they post about it on the forum, that should be deleted and if they keep it up, they ought to get suspended and if they do it after that they ought to get banned.

What posts belong where should not be allowed to be used as an excuse to cause trouble.
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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 16:49    Post subject:  

Galbi wrote:
@musher0: are you listening well?
http://linksdv.com/ruleta/bala.php?i=117afa4a1a28ecdc28ea21bd207c6cfb
Very Happy

Do not speak in parables, Galbi.
What do you want me to hear, exactly?

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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2018, 17:11    Post subject:  

dancytron wrote:
Starting a new forum would split the membership. That's the last thing Puppy needs. Not having enough people to test is bad enough as it is.

If there can't be a reorganization, if someone doesn't like a post because they think it is in the wrong place, then they need to PM the moderator. If they post about it on the forum, that should be deleted and if they keep it up, they ought to get suspended and if they do it after that they ought to get banned.

What posts belong where should not be allowed to be used as an excuse to cause trouble.

I agree, Dancytron.

I think there is a sub-question, though, in your post: this forum is lacking
qualified assitant-moderators.

Is it that nobody is raising their hand and saying to Flash or J. Murga: "Do
you need my help as an assistant=moderator?"

I did, a couple of years ago, but I never got an answer. Never mind me,
I know a lot of people do not like me here. But the principle is still valid:

Or is it that J. Murga and Flash think that the forum is fine as it is,
including the personal attacks?

Or is it that they do not want to train assistant-moderators? For whatever
reason.

Sorry for being so frank. In any case, I am myself side-tracking here,
sorry.

But my position is still: let's jump on this occasion to showcase official
PuppyLinux releases to start a new content-mederated forum -- for the
reasons I have given above.

It may split membership for a while. It will indeed be a test: really
interested Puppyists will go to the forum that provides the most
substance, to the forum that really meets their needs.

Those users who only want to snap at other users' calves and bums will
be filtered out, and that is a good thing.

Regards.

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