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Laptop processor overheats watching Youtube
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018, 18:08    Post subject:  

@ peterw:-

peterw wrote:
Reading about the CPU in that laptop (thinkbad r50e) I found this. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium_M/Intel-Pentium%20M%20725%20RH80536GC0252M%20(BXM80536GC1600F).html And digging into the details it indicates that it is designed to take an average of 21 W. It can work up to 30 W for a brief period and the temperature will ramp up.


Well, as the 'Dothan' variant. it does at least have the advantage of not being saddled with that stupid, 'hidden' PAE flag that the 'Banias' variant is lumbered with.

Why in the name of all that's holy Intel ever thought it necessary to pull such a stupid stunt has always escaped me. But then, hey; who amongst us can figure out Intel's thought-processes at the best of times.....?

Unfortunately, though, it's still a variation on the Netburst architecture, as used on the Pentium 4s.....along with only SSE2's (SSE3s would be better, of course, but there ya go). That 2 MB L2 helps enormously, of course; most of the 400 MHz FSB P4s only got 512kb if they were lucky.

My own old Dell lappie uses a 2.6 GHz 400 FSB P4. Intel billed these things as being 'multimedia ready'....though that was by the standards of 15 years ago, when all software was less demanding. Even so, she puts out enough heat that the exhaust vent is usually doing a fair impersonation of a hot air paint stripper.....and that's with a regular 12-monthly strip-down/springclean & reseat of the heatsink with fresh TPM. With a TDP of nearly 70W (ouch), I feel she deserves at least that.....

(Netburst does run hot. It's that long pipeline that's at the bottom of it; it's doing far more simultaneous calculations.....)

Dell's 'thermal solutions' back in the early years of the millennium left a lot to be desired.....despite lappies in those days being much bulkier than now, along with (usually) a lot more 'air-space' inside.

But I think you're asking a lot of a 'Netburst' CPU if you want it to play YouTube. Older hardware like that, you need to accept certain limitations, and lower your expectations accordingly. Like video transcoding is totally out of the question.....!! Laughing Laughing

I agree with a_salty_dogg, though. Tahr 6.0.5 would be well worth trying out; it was the first Puppy that 'played nice' with the Dell in the early days, OOTB.


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2018, 05:18    Post subject:  

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play YouTube

YouTube videos can be adjusted to use different settings.
Look for the settings icon, lower right side of display screen.
The quality setting can have a big affect on computer demand.
Really, the higher quality settings are going to need some higher quality graphics hardware, to work correctly.

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2018, 18:28    Post subject:  

In the past few days, I were looking for a solution, and I tried to install the smtub or gtk youtube viewer without success. I have seen the posts in the forum and I have followed them but it is not working for me. I there a possibility that one of the developer make a pet that make these two work out of the box ?

the browser like pale moon and ff 27 and 32 are working relatively alright, the problem is with youtube.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2018, 05:22    Post subject:  

Did you try what I suggested about changing the YouTube video settings?
Change the quality setting to a lower number or have it set to auto.
Did this have a good or bad affect?

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2018, 07:05    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Did you try what I suggested about changing the YouTube video settings?
Change the quality setting to a lower number or have it set to auto.
Did this have a good or bad affect?



it is always on auto, and when changing it to low, it have some good effect on the streaming but a small effect on the heat.

ofcourse the lap is pretty old but I think the problem can be also attributed to how the distro work (although it is not a problem by itself). only three distros have worked well on this old machine.

Q4os --> has a different problems but not the youtube problem, actually YouTube is pretty fast and smooth without that over heat problem.

linux lite --> has different problems similar to the above.

Manjaro 15.12 --> No updates or connection with the servers.


As mentioned earlier, I have tried puppy on 2 different old machines (one of them have a dual core 1.8 processor), both have the same problem. That make you wonder, how a distro like Q4os work the latest version of chromium without a problem and another distro (like puppy and many others I have tried) would encounter such problem.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2018, 07:57    Post subject:  

Some interesting info about lowering cpu use in palemoon 27.3 while watching youtube https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=115421#p115421

Its a 64-bit machine running arch, this person used pepper-flash and freshplayerplugin packages to lower cpu use from 60% down to 25%

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2018, 09:44    Post subject:  

The above thread perdido linked on the Palemoon site prompted another thought; do you have "Use hardware acceleration when available" unticked in "preferences > advanced > general"?
Have often seen that reported as improving performance for those using Firefox based browsers on lower powered machines.

Also have you tried running any other Puppies yet? Can make a huge difference if you only have such a limited-resourced machine to play with, and thus are always "living on the edge".
Have already suggested Tahr 6.05 or Unicornpup in my post above, but maybe set your sights even earlier and try Precise 5.71 or Slacko 5.7? Both run Palemoon perfectly well, and taking far fewer resources than Tahr 6.06.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2018, 17:33    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
Some interesting info about lowering cpu use in palemoon 27.3 while watching youtube https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=115421#p115421

Its a 64-bit machine running arch, this person used pepper-flash and freshplayerplugin packages to lower cpu use from 60% down to 25%

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Thanks for the suggestion, I will check this and back to you. so far in an attempt to lower the CPU usage I have disabled flash and play it in HTML5, there is no difference in performance so far.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2018, 17:36    Post subject:  

a_salty_dogg wrote:
The above thread perdido linked on the Palemoon site prompted another thought; do you have "Use hardware acceleration when available" unticked in "preferences > advanced > general"?
Have often seen that reported as improving performance for those using Firefox based browsers on lower powered machines.

Also have you tried running any other Puppies yet? Can make a huge difference if you only have such a limited-resourced machine to play with, and thus are always "living on the edge".
Have already suggested Tahr 6.05 or Unicornpup in my post above, but maybe set your sights even earlier and try Precise 5.71 or Slacko 5.7? Both run Palemoon perfectly well, and taking far fewer resources than Tahr 6.06.

All Puppies are not equal in the world which those of us with low-spec'd, antedeluvian, machines inhabit! Wink



I really tried almost all of them besides ( besides other tens of other distro in the past few days) , they all fast and excellent ( except the last version is really heavy). however they all encounter the same problem with youtube, I also need to use pretty old version of FF like 27 or 32 otherwise it would be really slow.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Aug 2018, 07:23    Post subject:  

You are using a very low featured single core processor.
It has none of the features that modern processors have.
It probably is being pushed, to run at close to 100%, to do YouTube video.

If all the cooling passages, fan intake and output openings are clear of dust, processor has good contact with it's heat sink, it is what it is.
Again, just because you feel air coming out of the computer, does not indicate it is going into the computer correctly.

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