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Is Precise 5.7.1 the new standard puppy for old hw?
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 06:50    Post subject:  Is Precise 5.7.1 the new standard puppy for old hw?  

I'm running precise with sylpheed 3.5.1 with gpg support and latest firefox. The best performance of the latest firefox on my hw with a single core celeron CPU and 1,5 Gb of RAM ten years old. BARRYK told to us releasing precise that it would have been the new puppy for old hardware. There is only a little number of very old hw which can't run precise with satisfaction.
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nic007


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 07:10    Post subject:  

I have video problems with Precise (and Xenial) on my 12 year old laptop. Racy and Tahr works best for me.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 10:51    Post subject: Re: Is Precise 5.7.1 the new standard puppy for old hw?  

watchdog wrote:
I'm running precise with sylpheed 3.5.1 with gpg support and latest firefox. The best performance of the latest firefox on my hw with a single core celeron CPU and 1,5 Gb of RAM ten years old. BARRYK told to us releasing precise that it would have been the new puppy for old hardware. There is only a little number of very old hw which can't run precise with satisfaction.


I agree, Precise 5.7.1 was an easy install and works perfect on my 8-year old Dell E6400 laptop.

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dancytron

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 16:53    Post subject:  

Some people have done a few security updates.

Here is one I believe. I think there are others.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=803258#803258

I really liked precise and keep it on my computer and as a go to on my thumb drive I carry on my keychain. Would be nice if someone could edit the first post with the updates to 5.71 to give it some visibility.

edit: see also here http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-precise.html Apparently also updated to have save folders.
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 23:57    Post subject:  

precise-5.7.1-retro_to_5.7.2-retro.iso.delta is no longer hosted at the mavrothal's link. I have a copy:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K7sK9Gml0SpHTmZonHVU7NGj48TjMuYw/view?usp=sharing
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AndresC2

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 00:33    Post subject:  

Hello All! Very Happy

thank you very much watchdog!!!!

puppy precise 5.7.1 run very well in my old dell.

is possible install firefox quantum? how?

by the way how to uses this delta?

long time ago i did a remaster for puppy-precise 5.7.1 but

is very very simple full amateur but the 200mb go to i think 150 o less

i dont remember.

i found the script

please look the script what do you think?

thanks.
RemasterPuppy-precise-5.7.1.gz
Description  please remove .gz.
gz

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Filename  RemasterPuppy-precise-5.7.1.gz 
Filesize  24.52 KB 
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 01:35    Post subject:  

AndresC2 wrote:

is possible install firefox quantum? how?


The easy way is to install my pet:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=999552#999552

If you want to use another localized firefox untar the tar.bz2 package in /usr/local/ after installing my pet. My firefox for precise should autoupdate to the latest firefox.

Quote:
by the way how to uses this delta?


Click on the delta and this should open a window: select and drag with the mouse the original appropriate precise.iso iso file downloaded from ibiblio in the Old File space and click GENERATE to generate the new precise 5.7.2 iso file.

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long time ago i did a remaster for puppy-precise 5.7.1 but

is very very simple full amateur but the 200mb go to i think 150 o less

i dont remember.

i found the script

please look the script what do you think?

thanks.


I have not scripting skills. But I'll look at later.
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 03:40    Post subject:  

I knew there was another later update. I just had to find it online.

Here is a version that ruwoof did with an upgrade for Heartbleed and some more updates.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=875477#875477

The download link is dead. I uploaded mine to Dropbox.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lo4xt1xgbbw0760/precise-5.7.2a.iso?dl=0
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 17:52    Post subject:  

As for the Topic ?

My answer is that with meltdown/spectre 1&2 that Slacko5.7-WoofCE might be a better choice for older HW/computers. The kernel is a supported version (last check 3.18.118) that will mitigate the syndrome at the kernel level.

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watchdog

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2018, 00:26    Post subject:  

Yes, slacko 5.7 could be another good choice for old hw. It can run the latest firefox and it's well supported. Just try what's better for you.

LATER: I have succefully used in slacko 5.7 the following sylpheed with gpg support:

https://slackware.pkgs.org/14.2/slackonly-i486/sylpheed-3.6.0-i586-1_slonly.txz.html

Install gpgme and dependencies, pinentry and gtkspell. It works for me.
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2018, 15:56    Post subject:  

I have an old computer (nearly ten years old now) and I still use Precise 5.7.1 Large. For me the only limiting factor is that the browsers included as standard are now out of date, but there may be others which work well in it (Vivaldi? Pale Moon?).

I agree that sylpheed makes a good alternative to Thunderbird for older computers with limited space and memory; even though it takes a bit more setting up at first in my experience, it works just as well in the end and is a lot lighter on resources. Finally, I'd include Softmaker Free Office as an alternative to either LibreOffice or Abiword (which is sadly unreliable) and Gnumeric, which isn't bad on its own.

[EDIT: I've now tried to run both Pale Moon and Vivaldi in 5.7.1 Large but both require extra libraries in order to work. Firefox 61.0.1 does work though so thanks watchdog for that one.]

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a_salty_dogg


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2018, 20:06    Post subject:  

Hello Colonel Panic,

Palemoon ran perfectly OOTB in Precise 5.71 Retro on my old faithful Dell P4 (it's twice as old as your machine, btw Smile ), downloaded and installed "manually" from the tarball at Palemoon.org.
Posting from it now!
Don't recall any missing dependencies found, and I've now been using it as my default browser in Precise for a very long time without problem, though I can't speak for your "Precise 5.71 Large", because I've never heard of that variety before (a remaster by someone?) nor can I locate any reference to it through the Puppy search engines.

Also watchdog's Light 49 "Racy tweak" .pet from here installs and runs fine in Precise (with only the addition of "apulse-0.1.11-i686-wz.pet" needed to get audio working in webpages), but I guess if your machine's got enough "oomph" to run a recent Firefox build smoothly, you won't be needing that! Wink
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2018, 23:38    Post subject:  

So I was intrigued with the idea of Fred's Firefox 60+ running on this and I discovered an issue that maybe you guys can help me solve.

What I am trying to do is set it up so that I can get a dialog which asks me whether or not I want to save on exit. Of course, on more modern pups, there is a checkbox in the second tab of the Puppy Event Manager where you choose 0 to disable periodic upgrade and then check the box to enable the choice of whether to save on exit. But precise doesn't have that.

Mavrothal's update makes it support save folders (Yeah), but it also breaks compatibility with shinobar's pupsaveconfig (which doesn't take save folders into account), which is the way that I usually accomplished getting a choice of whether to save on exit in earlier puppies.

I tried modifying /etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown as described here. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81911 but that was also incompatible with creating a save folder and on 1st exit forced me to create a savefile after I chose creating a save folder.

Ideally, any solution would also deal with the .XLOADED file issue as described here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65016&start=15

My intent when I started was to remove Seamonkey and Flashplayer (and maybe Abiword and Gnumeric too), and remaster it with a little script that installs Fred's firefox in /mnt/home. If it worked and seemed useful, then share it.

Can anybody help? Marothal??
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2018, 02:42    Post subject:  

a_salty_dogg wrote:
Hello Colonel Panic,

Palemoon ran perfectly OOTB in Precise 5.71 Retro on my old faithful Dell P4 (it's twice as old as your machine, btw Smile ), downloaded and installed "manually" from the tarball at Palemoon.org.
Posting from it now!
Don't recall any missing dependencies found, and I've now been using it as my default browser in Precise for a very long time without problem, though I can't speak for your "Precise 5.71 Large", because I've never heard of that variety before (a remaster by someone?) nor can I locate any reference to it through the Puppy search engines.

Also watchdog's Light 49 "Racy tweak" .pet from here installs and runs fine in Precise (with only the addition of "apulse-0.1.11-i686-wz.pet" needed to get audio working in webpages), but I guess if your machine's got enough "oomph" to run a recent Firefox build smoothly, you won't be needing that! Wink


I think this was the one;

https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_precise-5.7.1-retro-fatty-2014-jan-csipesz

Sorry for getting the name wrong, but when there's only limited space on the DVD to write anything on I hope you can see why I called it "Puppy Precise 5.7.1 Large" instead!

I'll have a look at the Palemoon tarball you mention.

Cheers,

CP .

P.S. Just one thing; I discovered that Softmaker FreeOffice 2018 also won't run on it owing to dependency issues, so I'm going to try Free Office 2016 instead.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2018, 04:54    Post subject:  

I use in precise an old libreoffice 4 series. I have tested working openoffice 4.1.4, too. See the rep of OscarTalks for an en_GB sfs. I have some Apache OpenOffice sfs's it_IT localized. See also:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=899035#899035
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