Bionicpup64 8.0 CE

[linuxcbon]

Concerning hardware acceleration in Linux, read this:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums ... -on-linux/

So I was right ? There is no hardware acceleration in linux for firefox and palemoon ? So bigpup is wrong to tell that settings in palemoon can enable hw accel ?
He didnt even explain which settings, I tried them all, and nothing changed.

I used to turn on hw accel in chromium and chromium based browsers,
but I learned I had to disable it to prevent crashes.

I have hw accel in chromium, and still no crash for several days. So it must be solved now.

I notice that palemoon has hw accel checked in preferences but it never
has caused me any problems.

I have hw accel enabled in palemoon, but it doesnt work. Palemoon uses 90% of cpu for me when watching youtube videos. Chromium only 5%.

I happen to have comparisons arranged for firefox, waterfox, palemoon
and basilisk. I ran a hd on youtube. My test machine has a i5 and 4gig
ram. I used HTOP to view ram and cpu cores useage. The test macine
has no video card.

Firefox and waterfox are the most demanding. Next comes palemoon.
Finally, basilisk is by far the least demanding. Subjectively, firefox and
waterfox are the fastest at loading web pages.

Art

My machine has dual core athlon and integrated radeon video card, so its 100 x slower than yours.
So you should do the testings with slower cpus and cards to understand what I am talking about. Your i5 is like a space rocket in comparison to my cpu.
And many puppy linux users have very slow cpus like me.

[artsown]

My machine has dual core athlon and integrated radeon video card, so its 100 x slower than yours.
So you should do the testings with slower cpus and cards to understand what I am talking about. Your i5 is like a space rocket in comparison to my cpu. Laughing
And many puppy linux users have very slow cpus like me.

I think Phil recommends at least a core duo (not the much slower dual
core). You should do your testing with a faster cpu to get meaningful
and useful results. You can't expect the latest browsers to work well
on really old junk machines.

Art

[linuxcbon]

I think Phil recommends at least a core duo (not the much slower dual
core). You should do your testing with a faster cpu to get meaningful
and useful results. You can't expect the latest browsers to work well
on really old junk machines.

Art

Stop spreading misinformation.
With my dual core, chromium works very fast.
So yes, you can expect the latest browsers to work well on really old junk machines.
Only firefox and palemoon are not able to run fast enough and are the problem.

[bigpup]

Thanks for not answering my questions.

So, do not use Pale Moon browser.
Your problem solved.

If Google had their way.
Their browser(s) is the only one that will work.
They seem to have the power to make web sites fully support their browser(s).

Remember the days of Windows Internet Explorer. When they controlled the Internet web sites browser support.

[linuxcbon]

Thanks for not answering my questions.

Most of your questions are already answered. And thanks for not testing youtube with a slow cpu and a slow video card on different browsers.

So, do not use Pale Moon browser.
Your problem solved.

It's not my problem, it's many people's problems, with slow hardware, the majority of puppy linux users actually.

If Google had their way.
Their browser(s) is the only one that will work.
They seem to have the power to make web sites fully support their browser(s).
Remember the days of Windows Internet Explorer. When they controlled the Internet web sites browser support.

It has nothing to do with web sites supporting google or microsoft. The problem is that chromium is well optimized and that firefox or palemoon are not well optimised.

[666philb]

on slow computers i use i install the 'open with' addon in palemoon and then open the video in mpv.

this addon (an archive list of old addons) needs to be installed first https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases

[666philb]

I have just started using BionicPup. Running well. A couple of issues, one of which is with Compton.

I am using it to set the opacity of non-active windows to be semi-transparent. However, all I get is a slight change of colour in their background until I hit 50% when the window goes really transparent.

Any reason why?

hi ProgRob,

i've been trying to figure this out for a while with no luck
i think it may be to do with JWM

[linuxcbon]

hi ProgRob,

i've been trying to figure this out for a while with no luck
i think it may be to do with JWM

Hi Phil, there is a problem with compton, I get thousands lines of error messages in xerrs.log with my radeon :

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vsync_drm_wait(): VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this drmver?

See this bug : https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/LARBS/issues/23
I guess compton should be disabled by default.

[666philb]

having trouble setting sound via hdmi on an asus gl10cs tower

it has on-board intel HDA ALC887_VD and nvidia NVIDIA Corporation Device 10f9 (rev a1)

sound card wizard currently selected for the intel analogue but have also tried the nvidia cards shown, unmuted but am still unable to output sound via hdmi to the monitor

have the same issue with fatdog64-810

sound perfectly fine through the hdd installed win10

sound does not play with or without save files, from usb or disc

have had a good google about and tried a number of solutions without success

any assistance appreciated

hi ally,

this is an old fix but worth a go.
try adding

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options snd-hda-intel model=generic

the the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and reboot

[666philb]

hi ProgRob,

i've been trying to figure this out for a while with no luck
i think it may be to do with JWM

Hi Phil, there is a problem with compton, I get thousands lines of error messages in xerrs.log with my radeon :

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vsync_drm_wait(): VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this drmver?

See this bug : https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/LARBS/issues/23
I guess compton should be disabled by default.

start compton with

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compton --config ~/.config/compton.conf -b --logpath /tmp/compton.log

to get rid of those messages. note a default bionicpup64 does this already, but i guess that gets lost when changes are made

[linuxcbon]

on slow computers i use i install the 'open with' addon in palemoon and then open the video in mpv.
this addon (an archive list of old addons) needs to be installed first https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases

Does it work for youtube videos ?
Why not chromium as default, cause it's really fast ?

[666philb]

on slow computers i use i install the 'open with' addon in palemoon and then open the video in mpv.
this addon (an archive list of old addons) needs to be installed first https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases

Does it work for youtube videos ?
Why not chromium as default, cause it's really fast ?

yes it does work for youtube videos and various other sites.

the only reason chromium is fast is because it's an older version, the last version to have hardware acceleration. if you try to update any of the chrome based browsers in quickpet (vivaldi,opera,chrome etc) you'll be bitterly disappointed. On a 16 core cpu with a nvidia 1050ti card 360p videos have screen tearing

palemoon is actually very good at streaming 4k 60fps youtube videos (silky smooth), but i guess must use more cpu than chromium going by your reports.

[linuxcbon]

the only reason chromium is fast is because it's an older version, the last version to have hardware acceleration. if you try to update any of the chrome based browsers in quickpet (vivaldi,opera,chrome etc) you'll be bitterly disappointed. On a 16 core cpu with a nvidia 1050ti card 360p videos have screen tearing

Weird, because I updated chromium to the latest version and it's still very fast and no screen tearing.

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Version 73.0.3683.86 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Puppy 8 (64-bit)

palemoon is actually very good at streaming 4k 60fps youtube videos (silky smooth), but i guess must use more cpu than chromium going by your reports.

Palemoon is extremely slow on old cpus, it uses at least 90% of the cpu. It's much slower than firefox, which is already slow.

[666philb]

chromium is at version 79 now. 73 is the last good chromium.

[666philb]

see this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... b37851a36a

[OscarTalks]

BionicPup64 has MPV media player which is quite good but of course the user controls are rather rudimentary.

I compiled GNOME-MPV from source. Version 0.16
It is GTK+3 only and support for this in Puppy is not perfect.
I notice that there is a "Pause" icon which is missing (once you start to play something)
Otherwise the GUI looks quite nice and offers better user controls.
You can drag and drop media files or right-click > Open With > GNOME-MPV
In case anyone wants to TEST I have uploaded to:-
http://smokey01.com/OscarTalks
Installed size is only around 450k

[thinkpadfreak]

linuxcbon wrote:

Palemoon uses 90% of cpu for me when watching youtube videos. Chromium only 5%.

ThinkPad X121e
CPU : AMD C-50 processor (dual core) at 1.0GHz
Video : AMD Radeon HD6250
RAM : 4GB

A result of XenialPup 32bit playing the same YouTube video:
Both Pale Moon 28 and Chromium 80 consume about 50% of CPU, except that Pale Moon consumes about 90% at the beginning of the playback.

As for Pale Moon, I switch "gfx.xrender.enabled" to "false." This reduces a considerable amount of CPU consumption.

Chromium 80 (ubuntu official build) is hardware-accelerated.
Chromium 79, which is not hardware-accelerated, is worse than Pale Moon.

Pale Moon seems to be a good choice as a default browser with about half the size of Chromium.

[bigpup]

Pale Moon high CPU usage.
There is a fix for Linux they are working on.
Testing it for now.

You can try to make the changes.

about:config in address slot, will bring up config window.
Make changes.

Try this one first.
layers.acceleration.force-enabled

This one may or may not help or be needed.
First try without changing this.
media.hardware-video-decoding.force-enabled

Shutdown and restart Pale Moon, so changes are being used.

about:support in address slot, will bring up support page, where you can see what changed.

Helped my Pale Moon v28.8.2.1

Also, Pale Moon v28.8.2.1 fixes You tube.

YouTube deprecating their old web UI. This change will enable the new YouTube UI by default.

[bigpup]

No way Google is the big Dog in web site feature control.
From You Tube support.
What browsers are supported.

YouTube no longer supports Internet Explorer. To continue using YouTube, update your browser to Chrome.

Wonder why they would recommend Chrome!

YouTube is an American video-sharing platform headquartered in San Bruno, California. Three former PayPal employees—Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim—created the service in February 2005. Google bought the site in November 2006 for US$1.65 billion; YouTube now operates as one of Google's subsidiaries.

[artsown]

No way Google is the big Dog in web site feature control. Rolling Eyes
From You Tube support.
What browsers are supported.
Quote:
YouTube no longer supports Internet Explorer. To continue using YouTube, update your browser to Chrome.

Wonder why they would recommend Chrome! Idea

Quote:
YouTube is an American video-sharing platform headquartered in San Bruno, California. Three former PayPal employees—Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim—created the service in February 2005. Google bought the site in November 2006 for US$1.65 billion; YouTube now operates as one of Google's subsidiaries.

When I was testing various browsers, I encountered a warning message
in youtube using basilisk.

We’ll stop supporting this browser soon. For the best experience please update your browser.

The user agent basilisk uses for youtube is

general.useragent.override.youtube.com;Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 Basilisk/52.9.2020.01.12

I suppose the goal is to eventually allow only "chromium and derivatives"
browsers.

Art