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bigpup


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Oct 2019, 09:14    Post subject:  

OK.

You probably understand these kernel parameters better than I do.
The ones you have already available, to me, seem to be all that would be needed.
Really, I have never needed to use them.

I tried intel_pstate=disable one time.
It worked, but on my Intel processor, intel_pstate provided features the other governors did not.

But just to show what it looks like if you did as I suggest.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Oct 2019, 09:37    Post subject:  

@bigpup,

Thanks for your sugestion, and the effort to make the patch.

My first reaction on seeing the result is that the dialog contains too much text, for one that will be navigated every time the "Puppy" facility is used.

Hmmm..., but maybe I could add a "Help" button that pops up a simple text screen, (not a html file) with similar information.
Could possibly use such a technique for other dialogs as well, keep the actual dialogs "clean".
OR
I might look at having a prominent button earlier on, that allows folk to enable/disable the "kernel boot parameters" dialog, with a possible opportunity to modify the list, with an extended general explanation.

Food for thought, and a bit of "yad" playing.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Oct 2019, 09:47    Post subject:  

@bigpup,

I've captured a copy of your text.
If I implement a "Help" screen, I might include your text.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Oct 2019, 09:18    Post subject:  

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1040280#1040280 may be a clue to part of the puzzle. Sorry if it isn't. Haven't had my second cup of coffee yet. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Oct 2019, 10:54    Post subject:  

Help button is also a good idea.

But from helping to produce the YaPi installer and it having help buttons.
You would be surprised how many people never click on a help button, that will give them the answer to their question Rolling Eyes Laughing

The main point is, some info about these kernel parameters needs to be someplace.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Oct 2019, 19:01    Post subject:  

@mikesir,

I'm not sure which bit of that is relevant.
But Puppy can already store your boot loader on one partition, your Puppy files in a sub-directory of another partition, and store your savefolder on a sub-directory of a third partition.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Oct 2019, 19:10    Post subject:  

@bigpup,
In the day in IT, we used to have a saying "RTFM stupid".
Maybe that should be "COTFHB stupid".

But there definately needs to be a much fuller explanation, with an extra option to access the full information on the web.

Might say:
If you haven't a clue, click either "Ok" or "Help", (only politely).

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Oct 2019, 13:45    Post subject:  

@bigpup,

While I will add some more general text to the top of the "Select kernel boot parameters" dialog,
for the next version I intend to introduce 2 "modes".
"Easy" mode will show only a minum of dialogs required for a simple install.
"Advanced" mode will show all the dialogs.

There will be an extra button on the main screen to change the mode.
The default mode will be "Easy".

Dialogs that will definitely be shown only in "Advanced mode:
"Save partitions" - "Define a separate Linux default save partition"
"Select kernel boot parameters"

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Oct 2019, 19:30    Post subject:  

That is a good idea. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 10:09    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
That is a good idea. Very Happy
Thanks.
Unfortunately that causes difficulty with yad, (which I am hoping to work-around reliably soon, I'm working on it.)

So, for the next version, I'm now taking another approach to do sort of the same thing.
I'm creating another simple alternate front-end for FrugalPup, (like StickPup), called "DiskPup".
"DiskPup" asks a minimum of questions:
What type of source?
Location of the source?
Location of the Puppy install directory?
Location of the fat32 boot partition?
Followed by a "confirmation" dialog.

Like StickPup, if you want more flexibility, more options, use FrugalPup.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 10:29    Post subject:  

Hmm..,
Instead of 3 apparently independent applications, I could have just FrugalPup, with 3 modes:
"Advanced", actually current FrugalPup,
"Basic", actually DiskPup,
"Stick", actually StickPup.
or
Just have a startup dialog that offers 3 facilities:
"Adavanced", "Basic", and "Stick".
On clicking on a facility button, this dialog closes.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 13:22    Post subject:  

Quote:
FrugalPup, with 3 modes

That would be good!
Probably easier for new users.

Suggestion.

Have some information about what each mode does.

Example:
"Basic"
Normally minimum required options.
Usually, all that is needed for normal install.

"Advanced"
Complete user control, with choice of more advanced options.

"Stick"
Specifically for installing to a USB flash drive.

Also, suggest shown in this order.
Basic is first, then advanced, and stick last.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2019, 09:07    Post subject:  

@bigpup,

Agreed, but I'm still trying to get my head around how to implement the interface with yad.

Your "information" is a good start, but, I think I'd have just a wee bit more info for each mode.
Like "Basic" is the default.
"Stick" is a minimum option, option.

I would want it to be clear that "Adanced" is the full deal,
and the other modes are simpler minimum option ones, suitable for most situations.

I might go for "Basic", "Stick" and then "Advanced".

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2019, 09:33    Post subject:  

Just ideas for thought.
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Basic = typical (what a first-time user usually would choose?)

Stick = install to a usb device (or is it only going to be a stick?)

Advanced = All install options (or is it everything but the other two install options?)

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short simple descriptions are better for first-time users.
too many options/descriptions won't be read by first-time users Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2019, 10:40    Post subject:  

gyro
Instead of questions about location, why not browser windows to navigate to desired location? May mean a little more programming, but easier for user and less risk of error.

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