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didit

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jul 2020, 22:26    Post subject:  

is there any way to make a full install ? somehow it offers frugal only
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ozsouth

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jul 2020, 02:28    Post subject:  

@didit - the install names are largely misnomers. Frugal is the standard install & saving with the save folder option has almost identical function to the old-style full install. Modern pups are not designed for that old style.
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didit

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jul 2020, 14:22    Post subject:  

ozsouth wrote:
@didit - the install names are largely misnomers. Frugal is the standard install & saving with the save folder option has almost identical function to the old-style full install. Modern pups are not designed for that old style.
but as i understand frugal system will consume more RAM than full
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foxpup

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jul 2020, 03:02    Post subject:  

didit wrote:
but as i understand frugal system will consume more RAM than full
Puppy is not big, so mostly it doesn't matter.
Also Puppy will try to accomodate and not load (main) sfs if RAM is too small.

However, if you have little RAM, you can add pfix=nocopy to the kernel/linux line.
(edit the config of your bootloader
you know how you boot and where to find the config of your bootloader? don't you?)
Then Puppy will not copy to RAM, like full install.

You use a swap (file or partition)?
That may help if your RAM is to small for just a moment, to prevent freezing.
You should not need it continuously, just for the critical moments.

I think 'layered install' would be a better name for frugal install.
(that answers to your question how to do a full installl:
you could open up all the layers and drop it all together Wink )
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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jul 2020, 09:38    Post subject: Why we recommend Frugal Installs  

@ didit,

As to why we recommend Frugal Installs see this post, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1023489#1023489

Mentioned in that post is that only with Frugal installs can you use SFSes. SFSes are loaded when you want them, unloaded when you don't. An unloaded SFS uses no RAM.
Any Application you can install can be built instead as an SFS. Usually easily. Install PaDS, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=998922#998922. Then, rather than use Puppy Package Manager to Auto install an application and its dependencies, change the setting (at the Top-Right) to "Download all (packages and dependencies)". Place the downloaded files in a uniquely named folder. Right-Click the folder and Select Combine to SFS.

A more complex example is given here, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1024636#1024636

You'll find some excellent Remaster tools on the Forum, such as that in nic007's Utilities. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1053410#1053410. I think it now includes an application for creating a pet package from a builtin application. If not, gnewpet will, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=598673#598673. What you can do is create pets of those builtin applications you rarely use. Then use Menu>Setup>Remove Builtins and Remaster your Puppy. [A remaster is necessary to actually remove them]. Use PaDS to create SFSes or SFS-Suites of those 'removed' applications you actually want.

But all of the above is merely 'icing on the cake'. As other have posted: a Frugal Puppy actually uses little RAM; and less if you use the 'no-copy' boot argument.
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