Intel 815 / 845 Graphics Chipset Incompatibility

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ecomoney · #1 Post by **ecomoney** » Tue 03 Oct 2006, 03:08

The intel 815 is a common graphics chipset built into a lot of motherboards. Every time I come to set up one of these computers the most I can get is 16 colour 800x600 resolution or horrible psudocolour using xvesa and nothing under xorg (the same is true for the newer 845). So far the only way Ive managed to get these computers running is to put another graphics card in them. This causes another problem using xorg with 2 graphics cards to which Ive discovered a workaround that I have posted under HOWTO's

I have heard that Intel dont play nice when it comes to supporting open source and releasing their hardware specs to the community (probably because they make so much money out of new PC's everytime a new Windows comes out). Is this problem to do with this? No wonder they have it built into motherboards otherwise the bins would be full of them!!! Puppy's hardware detection is usually excellent with this exception.

Is there a way of adding 815 / 845 support easily, or preferably adding this to the list of supported cards? This goes for 1.09ce and 2.xx releases Ive come across.

tempestuous · #2 Post by **tempestuous** » Tue 03 Oct 2006, 12:15

My i815 onboard graphics works great in Puppy 2.10 with Xorg. I suggest you check that your bios is set for "PnP OS = NO", but if the xorg wizard still fails you could just copy my xorg.conf into /etc/X11 before launching X. It's configured for 1024x768 24bit colour.
Once the additional DRI drivers are added, 3D works, too ... though it's necessary to go back to 16 bit colour. I can play tuxracer no problems.

i845 graphics are reported on the web as working under Xorg.

ecomoney · #3 Post by **ecomoney** » Tue 03 Oct 2006, 22:57

Ahh Thanks Tempestuous, the 815 does work with xorg in 1.09ce too (im posting this at 1200x1600!)

Will retry the 845 under puppy 2.02 Seamonkey tommorow with xorg when Im in the office.

The xvesa doesnt work and however, and just drops back to the command line. Xvesa is really good and Im personally hoping that it will come as standard in puppy so that it just boots by default into it in 1.10ce ("put this magic cd into your computer and it will make it work!!!"). Obviously the 815 would cause it problems. Is the a way of getting it to work with xvesa?

tempestuous · #4 Post by **tempestuous** » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 00:55

Xvesa WAS standard in Puppy until version 1.0.7 when Xorg was added. Xorg is a far superior X server.
Now that your 815 is working with Xorg, forget about Xvesa. Xvesa is a step backwards.

richard.a · #5 Post by **richard.a** » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 01:07

tempestuous wrote:Xorg is a far superior X server.
Now that your 815 is working with Xorg, forget about Xvesa. Xvesa is a step backwards.

I was under the impression that XVesa uses far less resources than XOrg?

I would take a punt that is why many would continue to use it.

It is also extremely quick to set up, particularly on a temporary usage like Puppy is very succesfully designed to do.

I've had problems with other Intel 8xx chipsets in PIII-MMX motherboards while using XVesa, but feel that the XVesa provision is a worthwhile thing to have for the reasons I list above.

Looking for my logic to be faulted, please, if it is, because I'm new to PuppyLinux.

Richard - also in Australia

tempestuous · #6 Post by **tempestuous** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 02:34

Regarding Xorg versus Xvesa, see my comments here http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=72281#72281

richard.a · #7 Post by **richard.a** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 03:22

thanks, tempestuous. reading that page, this is interesting...

GuestToo wrote:anyway, i don't don't know much about, except that a vesa driver usually uses a lot more cpu power

http://gatos.sourceforge.net/

I think it still has advantages for a quick-n-easy, minimum of fuss, stick the CD in and run it, though.

These somewhat obscure (to me) things known to (some) others are probably the major stumbling block to many "new chums" to a distro, eh?

Wondering whereabouts in Oz are you?

Richard in Adelaide

Sage · #8 Post by **Sage** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:18

Sorry - double-entry bookkeeping again.
It would be extremely helpful if authors were permitted to delete their own offerings.

Sage · #9 Post by **Sage** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:20

I can play tuxracer no problems.

According to the list of members, there are 3539 present registrants.
Safely double that for total readership and add a few more casual perusers.

OK, tempo - how would you like to make 10K people happy by providing an exceptionally detailed description of how to get 3D Tuxracer running in P2?!

It may be presumptuous, but I reckon there's a lot of folks out there that are as penguin-dumb as yours truly. Spent hours, nay, days, trying to get the damn thing running, followed all the previous advice - nada. Seen it in Mandriva - stunning.

Thanks in anticipation.

richard.a · #10 Post by **richard.a** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:29

Sage wrote:Sorry - double-entry bookkeeping again.
It would be extremely helpful if authors were permitted to delete their own offerings.

Yes. There is a lengthy string of windows originally made by me and with just a request for a mod to remove them. But alas, nobody comes lol

Actually I think it is probably a forum setting because other phpbb's I've used have that option when you go to edit a post.

So you have two votes in favour of moving the checkmark on the mods' config page

tempestuous · #11 Post by **tempestuous** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 14:56

3D accelerated graphics drivers are obviously required: http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=10834
nVIDIA 3D drivers are not included in Mark's wizard, get them here instead http://dotpups.de/tests/nvidia/
The ones with "k2.4.29" are for Puppy 1.0.4-1.0.9. The others are for Puppy 2.0 and 2.01, but NOT 2.02 or 2.10.

I provided the tuxracer dotpup back in the Puppy 1x days. It's at Mark's site http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Games/tuxracer-0.61.pup
It needs LibSDL1.2-forDoom.pup from the same location, to hear the music and sound effects
... and now that I look at the situation, I see a small compatibility problem with Puppy 2x.
To fix the tcl version mismatch, do this -

cd /usr/lib
ln -s libtcl8.5.so libtcl8.4.so

If you have an nVIDIA card, it might also be necessary to add the libGLU library (from Mark's standard libGL package), since the proprietary nVIDIA driver does not provide this.

There is an updated version of tuxracer called ppracer, which kirk made a dotpup of here http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Games/William/ppracer.pup This has improved eye-candy, but if you have an older Pentium2 or Pentium3 this may overtax your system, so better to stick with tuxracer. Either way, this is a great non-violent game for kids.

#12 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 15:40

richard.a wrote:
Sage wrote:Sorry - double-entry bookkeeping again.
It would be extremely helpful if authors were permitted to delete their own offerings.
Yes. There is a lengthy string of windows originally made by me and with just a request for a mod to remove them. But alas, nobody comes lol

Actually I think it is probably a forum setting because other phpbb's I've used have that option when you go to edit a post.

So you have two votes in favour of moving the checkmark on the mods' config page

I'm a mod and I can't do it either. Only admins (Flash and JohnM) can delete things as far as I know. Now, I could probably move individual posts into the hidden spam-only forum. Don't want to do that though or you might be mistaken for a spammer and banned

ecomoney · #13 Post by **ecomoney** » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 05:01

I have found some discussion of the 845 Driver elsewhere in the forum and it appears to work with certain new puppies.

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=11791

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Intel 815 / 845 Graphics Chipset Incompatibility

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