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Puppy's big problem with woof and woof CE
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darry19662018

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 15:56    Post subject:  

It is easy enough to produce your own cut down Pup I have done so with Stretch doing the following:
1, Use buildins which thankfully now allows you to remove more than 1 app or libraries. I end up with a basic pup which browses and playback with a portable gmplayer thanks to Fredx181.

I then rebooted with a savefile once I had used buildins utility.

2. removed savefile once rebooted then used remaster program,

3. This produced a folder with new Stretch sfs and zdrive and I deleted a drive, I used the isomaster program to insert these new sfs to the iso, produced a new onebone iso and frugal installed and hey presto with a bit of work a very basic system. So If you want a basic iso and system using static apps or self contained sfs the work I did was worth it.

I will upload the iso later with download details.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 15:59    Post subject:  

thanks darry

i will look into both systems for the same iso

woof-ce and remaster like you did

like i said i have the time if not the expertise
so what is there to lose

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:02    Post subject:  

Well mate,

Put it this way If hate pulse-audio like I do and other cruft with a bit of sweat you can have a system easy to maintain and just add what you want as puppy has the tools like listDD and check dependcies of a pkg to help you thats pretty awesome.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:11    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:

with only one repository selected
no choices need to be made at first


the thing with the dedicated source of binaries (*1 is following:

- Debian would be the best one without limit but today making heavy politic manipulation of the events... And the difficulty to decide if stable or testing or full SID (= diffferent visions of that what a little copy has to be...)

- the Slackware world is searching a new balance and is not really an example of good organization. To extend your working field is sometimes very difficult for end users!

- RedHat and all friends (Suse etc.) seems to be closed for us (as also we are not really a best example of good organization!)

- LFS seems to be difficult (NuTyx publishes all binaries (*2 of LFS and BLFS but it is an one man show for each part! The base made by Thierry Nuttens, the Swiss creator, and each one for the other parts esp. Pierre for the heavy KDE, bothe are the base of the best NuTyx...)

- Arch and gentoo are rollings. Rollings are possible but require to make somewhere a complete copy not being rolling itself and this fact has to be clear for all... They are probably with SID the most open Linux ressources and not so manipulated by some Debian gurus as SID/testing itself!

- Ubuntu, sorry, that is "my" last one really and terrible dangerous as to often contributors did use time limited versions under maximal development energy not being reproduced after that with some next LTS, but not extensible any more out the short time Ubuntu depositories...

(*1 as the sources of the clone of Android for PC are all published as well for 32 as for 64 bit, it would be in the theory possible to rebuild Puppy completely based on the Android clone Wink , but was never matter of discussion in our community!

(*2 and full sources and build receipts! This is probably the only one distro encouraging to build from sources as LFS is stuff from sources. The first one, Debian, is only theory: How has really rebuild his system and translate it for ex. to an other CPU using aptbuild? I suppose no one in the Puppy community (Iguleder (*3 perhaps? I assume he continues to look from time to time here!). In the past did Slackware always offer all source but also did discourage to build with them!!! I don't know any more what the status about this details is in Slackware. Divers things seem to be erased like the second serie for IBM/MS-dos environment etc. ...

(*3 contributor Iguleder did be the last one I know declaring to compile (yes, in assembler sources) his Puppy's himself! Or are since this time new ones known (this is important! Compile themself is an extreme time occupation. This is only realistic possible if you use scripts and that is the kik: such scripts well working and good written can be precious for a community to recover contact with full rational compiled Puppy's as BK did made himself in the past...

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:16    Post subject:  

yes darry i will try to learn your system

its like the old puppy but better

and maybe it will lead me to have the knowledge to make a minimal woof-ce

yes oui debian strech looks like the best candidate

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:21    Post subject:  

By the way as a side-note to what Oui was talking about which just about made me fall off my chair and why Devuan makes a good base. The maintainer of systemd is taking a break - poor chap,
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2606

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:25    Post subject:  

oh, really sorry for him... Devuan is a really lovely environment made with a lot of energy by a little staff!
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:28    Post subject:  

darry

your system is based on debian strech right

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:32    Post subject:  

Yes it is the Debian Stretch 7.5 release from peebee
to be exact original iso.
http://smokey01.com/radky/Woof/stretch-7.5-uefi-k4.9.149.iso

the above is the legacy hardware one.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:38    Post subject:  

thanks so much darry

cool so that is where to start

whenever you have time put a link to your iso

and i will download it and burn it

then i will read your stuff

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:41    Post subject:  

i dont want to get ahead of myself

but maybe in the future we can look at devuan

i hate systemd


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:47    Post subject:  

if its ok

i am going to leave this topic on this thread
since we are trying to find a solution to the woof woof-ce issue

anyone can post anything else they want so i dont think we will be in the way

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:49    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
i dont want to get ahead of myself

but maybe in the future we can look at devuan

i hate systemd


wanderer


Agreed, I have used Devuan based stuff and Miyo-linux based off it and I am very impressed with their work. As I have stated too I love using Musher's puduan 6 - so yeah Devuan is pretty cool.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 16:59    Post subject:  

i see this as having 3 stages

1. absolute minimal iso - as small as can be and still be extensible

2. basic system iso - like what a newbee would want - small but functional

3. beautiful system whatever you want


i (and hopefully others) will work on 1 and 2
whoever wants to can work on 3


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2019, 17:07    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
i see this as having 3 stages

1. absolute minimal iso - as small as can be and still be extensible

2. basic system iso - like what a newbee would want - small but functional

3. beautiful system whatever you want


i (and hopefully others) will work on 1 and 2
whoever wants to can work on 3


wanderer


Puppy self compiled and assembled by BK was always that!

JWM is a wonderful desk environment and so versatile and tiny especially if you continue to use, does Puppy, /etc/X11/xorg.config (without some terrible automatic resets!!! Pfui......). Other ones may be beautiful but fat terribly Puppy and requires new manipulations from newbies! Why not a really common way for all using for the other desktop environment dotsfs packages? RHS did made possible to start those dotfs packages immediately at starting time through some cfg file for the initrd!

note: I did extend my msg http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1022962#1022962 to avoid some search but I didn't introduce Devuan because the fact that not all stuff are ported or can be ported from Debian, sorry, it is so Embarassed . It would need that the Debian stuff can be used without some changes after installing a Devuan base but it is NOT the case... No automatic strip of systemd in sight!
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