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Puppy's big problem with woof and woof CE
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musher0

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 00:41    Post subject:  

oui wrote:
musher0 wrote:

Who's paying you to do this, by the way? M$? RedHat? Google?


Those Mssrs are American as you Idea , you understand why actually tensions happens between us?

It is a scandal that you come with those calumny!

I did only ask you why SliTaz with about the same browser in it, the same goodies, as far I know the actual LinuxFromScratch else if it supply not the most newer kernel making perhapts difficulies, is so tiny and new you did explain strong stripped version from Puppy so big!

no need to insult each other:

you can look an say

that
that
that
that

if you see more an technical grounds are transparently,

that ground
that ground
that ground
that ground

really easy

witjhout some calumny or insults!

poor man!

Hey.

You mistake me for an American, when I am Canadian. Similarly, you think that I am the
developer behind DPupBuster-7.9.0.2, when I am only a facilitator.

You suppose that our Puppy devs fatten the Pups on purpose, when they do not.

Dancytron, jamesbond and others have provided you with all the data you'll ever need
to understand this situation. But you do not want to, you doubt our sincerity. You
absolutely want your anorexic Puppy. Who's the poor guy now?

So here's the deal: you attack our reputation, and we attack yours. You attack us and
we pay you back in kind. Fair is fair. Do we have a deal?

Or you just shut up and humbly kneel before superior facts. Puppy is not SliTaz and
never was. Enough of your nonsense. You'll kill Puppy with it, if we let you loose.

So what's the name again? "Aleksje" from SliTaz is paying you to belittle Puppy? I see...
Finally the truth is coming out.

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wiak

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 02:45    Post subject: Midori for new woof-CE builds?  

Moved my comment, since more about Midori in DPupBuster, to here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1019576#1019576

wiak
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oui

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 04:57    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:

So here's the deal: you attack our reputation, and we attack yours. You attack us and
we pay you back in kind. Fair is fair. Do we have a deal?


poor man really! he is not American. he is Canadian! and where is Canada? In China, in Australia, in China?

YOU ...

attack the reputation of Puppy, because

YOU

find that you have the qualification of an developer because you feel yourself able to play with a distro builder with dramatic results:

in the last few hours where I did start this critic on Woof, WoofCE and to be fat, really the few hours

Puppy did loose a other rang at the ranging at distrowatch.com and is now not rang

33

any more

but

rang 34

and it is your fault because you are not able to discern that continue this way is a great error: the world user repulse violently the new products having only an unique advantage:

to make the creators shine


regardless of users' reactions and the negative effects for Puppy.

A good Puppy will never be an elephant because the user is awaiting with the name Puppy a smart distribution Exclamation

(note: I did answer wiak behind his message here )
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linuxcbon

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 12:45    Post subject:  

Oui, please create a "lighter" puppy and show us how to do, instead of useless blablabla for pages.
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oui

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 14:46    Post subject:  

not needing!

look at this versjon of SliTaz:

http://mirror.slitaz.org/iso/rolling/slitaz-rolling-loram.iso

in that iso, aleksej did offer the Puppy guy's being not able to recognize what a distro needs

Quote:
with gtkonly, justx, base and
non-live (needs the CD-ROM) alternatives (5x). Spare up to 30% of the RAM
size in live mode.


Russian dolls Idea the initrd from SliTaz is splitted,inito 5 steps (it is somewhat like Slitaz from Scratch! but working in automatic!) ; we don't hat equivalent in Puppy, only WoofCE and it builds monsters!
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musher0

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 15:01    Post subject:  

Not Russian dolls. Ukrainian dolls. And Ukraine is in Upper Mongolia. Right next to the
Canada you found in Austria! You should definitely have paid more attention in geography
class in high school, oui!

linuxcbon, où t'as remisé la muselière de oui, encore ? Evil or Very Mad
(Transl. : Where did you say you stored oui's muzzle? )

BFN.

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ITSMERSH

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 16:04    Post subject:  

Just to make a comparison:

Lucid
Abiword 2.8.6 = 5336 Bytes
libabiword = 6482 K

Bionic
Abiword 3.0.1 = 6272 Bytes
libabiword = 7868 K

Also I want to mention:

The term "old computer" is somewhat different in 2019 compared to 2008.

Sorry, but I don't think there's a need for new Puppies around 100 MB - except for some special guys.

Even though I had complained sometimes about woofCE and its developments, I think they did some great stuff in some parts - definitely.

E.g. I was easily able to add mdrv, ndrv and vdrv for a use in Bionic64 (edited the init script and sfs_load for that). I recall trying this already at times when I worked on my Lucid based LazY Puppy.

I had trouble, trouble and trouble - and then I just gave up.

In Bionic64 there was just a single attempt and it worked out of the box!

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musher0

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 16:12    Post subject:  

Don't waste your time, Rainer.
Oui has a teflon coating: no reasonable argument sticks.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 16:23    Post subject:  

ITSMERSH wrote:

Sorry, but I don't think there's a need for new Puppies around 100 MB - except for some special guys.


I did use your (different) puplets until 2017..2018. daily

but it doesn' t work any more (HTLM5!)

better a 50 Mb distro with amd64 kernel as an heavy TOPLESS where no youtube!

you are really yourself a very special guy if you feel different Idea

world users did also refuse all your creations... it is a little reason why Puppy were at rang 9 as BK did give it in the hands of some from him known developpers and it is now at rang 34 although a lot of people (perhaps better why a lot of people Question Idea ) build elephantic (sometimes dynausoristic) versions Rolling Eyes

der Zweck heiligt die Mittel but the goal can certainly not be to loose so much audience! it would be nonsens ...
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 16:45    Post subject:  

The distro watch ranking is meaningless. It is just a count on the number of hits on the Puppy distrowatch page.

If you care about the rating, then you should promote the Puppy distrowatch page on the search engines (like the some of the other distros do).

Anyway, I'm done. You are just a concern troll.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 17:32    Post subject:  

"The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on." (Proverb in many languages)
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 18:49    Post subject:  

dancytron wrote:
The distro watch ranking is meaningless. It is just a count on the number of hits on the Puppy distrowatch page.

If you care about the rating, then you should promote the Puppy distrowatch page on the search engines (like the some of the other distros do).

Anyway, I'm done. You are just a concern troll.


We should also note that there is much more competition now for small live distributions these days. That said, amoungst the smaller-lightweight distributions puppy ranks near the top. AntiX and MX linux are examples of two lighter weight versions of linux that are taking votes away from puppy.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 19:16    Post subject:  

There are people in this forum that undermine real progress in puppy any way they can while seeking attention by riding on the backs of others.

Until that is addressed puppy will continue to decline in popularity.

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mistfire

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb 2019, 19:18    Post subject:  

Hello

I just want to share my opinion.

Here are some factors that makes the puppy bloat.

1. Web Browser
2. Multimedia Player
3. Office suites
4. DRI files
5. Kernel modules
6. Firmware drivers
7. UEFI boot files
8. SFS Compression

TazPuppy is around 100Mb yet with wide hardware support. The small main SFS file size was achieved by using xz compression with 1Mb block size.

Slitaz was 40-50Mb but lack of hardware support by default. You need to download some kernel modules in order to work with computer to computer this will reduce portability.

I made a discussion on X-Slacko Slim on how to reduce the filesize the Puppy.

In order to make Puppy small:
1. Use a lightweight browser but HTML5 and ajax compliant and it can play HTML5 video, audio, and stream
2. A lightweight player that can play commonly used formats such as mpg, mp4, wmv, wma, mp3, avi, wav, aac, mkv, ogg, ogv, oga
3. Use maximum SFS compression settings when creating the main puppy sfs file. (xz compression with 1Mb block size)
4. Remove uneccessary docs and source code headers (those are belong in devx sfs modules)
5. Office suites is optional

For new, unique, and breakthrough features for puppy. Take a look at X-Slacko Slim (the base files which I improved and modified is already provided on the thread).
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Feb 2019, 05:30    Post subject:  

Hi mistfire

mistfire wrote:
Hello

I just want to share my opinion.

Here are some factors that makes the puppy bloat.

1. Web Browser
2. Multimedia Player
3. Office suites
4. DRI files
5. Kernel modules
6. Firmware drivers
7. UEFI boot files
8. SFS Compression

TazPuppy is around 100Mb yet with wide hardware support. The small main SFS file size was achieved by using xz compression with 1Mb block size.

Slitaz was 40-50Mb but lack of hardware support by default. You need to download some kernel modules in order to work with computer to computer this will reduce portability.

I made a discussion on X-Slacko Slim on how to reduce the filesize the Puppy.

In order to make Puppy small:
1. Use a lightweight browser but HTML5 and ajax compliant and it can play HTML5 video, audio, and stream
2. A lightweight player that can play commonly used formats such as mpg, mp4, wmv, wma, mp3, avi, wav, aac, mkv, ogg, ogv, oga
3. Use maximum SFS compression settings when creating the main puppy sfs file. (xz compression with 1Mb block size)
4. Remove uneccessary docs and source code headers (those are belong in devx sfs modules)
5. Office suites is optional

For new, unique, and breakthrough features for puppy. Take a look at X-Slacko Slim (the base files which I improved and modified is already provided on the thread).


Yes, you are right, above factors are determinant for a small distribution!

But, actually, it is not really the matter:

musher0 wrote:

E.g., including the devx, josejp2424's latest DPup, DPupBuster, is ~ 375 Mb.
Without the devx: 273 Mb.


musher0 wrote:

E.g., the new DPupBuster does NOT have: abiword, gnumeric,
claws-mail, hex-chat. What else could be chopped off? mpv?


This product of WoofCE is also only a one-bone where the big pre installed bone is the browser and it's libraries of course, but the browser is the very light browser Midori!

Nothing else excepted the usual tools and the very light weight little app's like mTpaint etc. (also being in the base of SliTaz, you can look in our Tazpup where you are the main actor!)

To build a small distro, a very important question is that of the choice of libraries (often very big dependencies): all GTK OR all QT (*1 ! And a distro builder is generally not trained to do that...

Other packages have to become extra packages...

(*1 probably the QT version will become 50 .. 60 Mb biger than the GTK version
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