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Cpu-Gpu Temperature Which is (un) healthy ?
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backi

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 06:37    Post subject:  Cpu-Gpu Temperature Which is (un) healthy ?  

Hi you guys !
Just surfing the Web got this temperatures:

root@live64:~# sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0: +59.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0: +55.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +55.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1: +25.0°C (crit = +107.0°C)

dell_smm-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
Processor Fan: 0 RPM
Video Fan: 0 RPM
CPU: +58.0°C
Ambient: +49.0°C
SODIMM: +43.0°C
SODIMM: +46.0°C

Not that i am too much worried about ......but isn`t it a bit too high .....just for surfing Web?

Another Observation :
Just when freshly booting (from my cold Laptop....Room-Temperature +18 C )
Cpu temperature is already shown +30 c ......when booting in Desktop
Gpu also +30 C .......(idle ....not done anything yet) .
How can it be....(what does it mean?)

Could it mean that in reality those Temperature/Readings from above

cpu core 1:
+55 c
cpu core 2:
+55 c
Gpu :
+58 c
in Reality are lesser ......because already started with +30C (from fresh cold Boot) ......

then constantly rising and keeping (approximately)
Cpu +55C... (Gpu+60 c) while only surfing the Web ?

What do you think ?
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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 12:35    Post subject:  

Temperature of CPU depends on a lot of things, backi.

Normally browsing the web should not raise the CPU temp.
But with heavy graphics it does.

Also if you hit upon a malicious site with lots of ads that want a place
on your screen.

Have you installed a good ad-blocker? (E.g. Ghostery, U-Block Origin)
Have you downloaded and installed the Puppy hosts file? (There should
be an entry in the Network or Internet section of your menu.)

Also the physical environment plays a role. Middle of summer, humidity
level high, 95-100 F in the computer room: yeah, the CPU temp will be
much higher.

Are the fans in your box working properly? A desktop computer has two
fans at least: the one on top of the mother chip and the one for the
power supply. To help them out, remove one side panel, and put a small
USB fan on the side, directed at the main chip. (+/- 12 $ at Canadian
Tire).

Have you dusted them off recently? Dust accumulation and lint are the
major reasons for CPU temp elevation in my experience. Turn the
machine off and do some vacuuming.

Also patient and delicate use of plastic flexible pipe cleaners (NOT the
metal ones) does wonders to get the lint out of the "crevices" of the
cooling device.

Some BIOS'es have a section for temp warnings -- or at a certain
temperature the box shuts itself off. If you have concerns about your old
box, you may wish to turn that feature on. I have mine set at 90 F.

IHTH.

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 12:37    Post subject:  

They are all still in normal range.

Really depends on the processor.
Some run hotter than others.

What processor is it?

Should make sure the cooling fans look like they are working.
Not just turning, but actually moving some air.
Air intake and exit ports are clean and not clogged up.

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 12:38    Post subject:  

Those temps are well within normal operating temperatures for Intel processors.

You might want to look into why your processor fan speed is 0 (zero).
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 12:47    Post subject:  

Rereading your report in the OP:

Your processor fan indicates 0 rpm: not good, not good at all.
See to it ASAP.

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backi

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 14:25    Post subject:  

Hey you guys !
Thanks a lot for support !
Not really worried about Temperature .(just confused)
Browser is well equipped with Ublock origin ---Umatrix (Adblockers)
Dell Precision M6600 i5 Cpu .(intel)

Fans are running quite fine .....just in the moment when i used command sensors in terminal to create this report above ..they just did not run .....
Also used a Vacuum cleaner a few days ago to remove Dust .

One thing is confusing me.....when booting fresh into X (boot-up from " cool " Laptop and room-temperature +18 C)
sensors command on a fresh boot already showing approximately +30 C (idle)without any Activity . .This is what is irritating me .

During further Activities Cpu Temperatures rises to +55 and stays most of the time on that Level (when reaching +60 C fans start to run and cool things down for a while ).But average Temperature while surfing is +55 C .

Maybe i make it more complicated as it is .
My naive thinking is :
Starting fresh with +30 C idle .....during further Activities rising from +25C to +55C
30C plus 25C=55C .....only have in reality +25 C increase .

Better make it less complicated:
What Cpu temperature does anybody else measure up directly after fresh Boot ?

Thanks in advance !
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 15:26    Post subject:  

I can only give two desktop computers as examples:

My current machine has a 3GHz AMD Athlon II X4 640 processor, and with Wary 5.1.2 (which doesn't seem to have the "sensors" command), Hardinfo shows only one temperature ("temp1") that does change with CPU usage, but seems to be lower than it should - on a cold boot, it is usually below the room temperature (!), and it barely goes over 25°C except on hot summer days. I assume the actual temperature is somewhat higher than that.

On my old computer with a 3GHz Pentium 4 processor, Wary never displayed a precise temperature, just a "thermal zone" that was always 40°C. I once rebooted and looked into the BIOS after playing a game at ~80% CPU usage for several hours on a hot day - the processor temperature was around 42-43°C, and the CPU fan was turned off. (It was configured to come into action only when the temperature reached 45°C.) The chassis and PSU fans were apparently providing enough cooling.

Can you boot into the BIOS/UEFI and check the temperatures there?

As for your GPU - if you are currently using an accelerated graphics driver, perhaps you could try turning hardware rendering off, or using a non-accelerated driver like "vesa", to see if it makes any difference. Even web browsers tend to use hardware acceleration nowadays, but they probably have an option to turn it off.
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 15:40    Post subject:  

Those temps look perfectly normal to me. I just booted my 1.3GHz Celeron M laptop. It shows 30 C as soon as the desktop appears. Current room temperature is 22 C. When I'm on YouTube, the temp often gets as high as 64 C. Then the fan kicks in and brings the temp down to 59 C.
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 15:45    Post subject:  

24 degrees Celsius is 75 degrees Fahrenheit
30 degrees Celsius is 86 degrees Fahrenheit

Both are indoors/outdoors temperatures. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 15:55    Post subject:  

6502coder wrote:
Quote:
I just booted my 1.3GHz Celeron M laptop. It shows 30 C as soon as the desktop appears. Current room temperature is 22 C. When I'm on YouTube, the temp often gets as high as 64 C. Then the fan kicks in and brings the temp down to 59 C


This is what i was interested in......seems every thing is O.K. with my Machine .
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 17:10    Post subject:  

Hello.

I'd say an average of 55 C is high. To give you an idea, my 11-years-old
Aspire 3100+ mid-tower shows 35 C after being on for five hours, with one
side removed. During that time, I have done some Internet browsing, but
not on graphics-rich sites.

FWIW, laptops can endure much higher temperatures, up to 90 C, because
their components are surrounded by heat-absorbing material.

IHTH

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2019, 21:30    Post subject:  

http://www.buildcomputers.net/cpu-temperature.html
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Apr 2019, 03:14    Post subject:  

Musher wrote:

Quote:
I'd say an average of 55 C is high. To give you an idea, my 11-years-old
Aspire 3100+ mid-tower shows 35 C after being on for five hours, with one
side removed. During that time, I have done some Internet browsing, but
not on graphics-rich sites.


Musher ,maybe because you are using a mid-tower Machine , there is more cooling Space , better Airflow inside ???.... maybe this could be one Reason you are getting lower average Temperatures than inside a Laptop-Machine ??...just my Speculation ....

Would prefer a bit lower Temperature ......but do not care much....
I know it could be helpful to renew Thermal-Paste on Cpu ........
But disassembling this kind of Machine to get access to CPU/GPU is quite complicated .I would not dare it .
Even more complicated is reassembling that Beast .....i probably would fail ..So i better (have) to accept it the Way it is .

Hey thank you guys for Support !
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 19:37    Post subject:  

mostly_lurking wrote:
On my old computer with a 3GHz Pentium 4 processor, Wary never displayed a precise temperature, just a "thermal zone" that was always 40°C. I once rebooted and looked into the BIOS after playing a game at ~80% CPU usage for several hours on a hot day - the processor temperature was around 42-43°C, and the CPU fan was turned off. (It was configured to come into action only when the temperature reached 45°C.) The chassis and PSU fans were apparently providing enough cooling.


Yeah, P4's aren't the best for sorting cooling solutions on. Intel never implemented 'Speedstep' until their siblings, the Pentium Ms, hit the shelves. So, you're at a disadvantage straightaway; none of the available drivers in the CPU Frequency Tool will work worth a damn, because the CPU has no way of making use of them!

Which means they're running at full tilt all the time. So the only means left to cool 'em down is with the fans/heatsinks, etc.....and the 'standard' Intel heatsink/fan assembly is borderline effective at best. Still, so long as you're not lumbered with any of the 'Prescotts', you should be OK; the 2.6 GHz P4 in the old Dell lappie averages anywhere from 49/50°C at tickover to 58/59°C when watching videos. (Which is a moot point in itself; Intel marketed the P4s as being 'multimedia-ready', when in reality they were anything but..!)

And for a P4 those are perfectly normal temps. Intels just are hotter-running chips; the old Athlon64 X2 dual-core in the 'big' Compaq desktop, in wintertime particularly, will tick-over at around 18-19°C (seriously!!) immediately after arriving at the desktop, with occasional giddy forays up into the high 20's after a couple of hours use browsing. Again, don't listen to the idiots who tell you AMDs run hot; they're talking out of their backsides, 'cos the standard K8 cooler is one massive hunk of aluminium, and can soak up a lot of heat. Mind you, with a TDP of around 90W she does need all the help she can get.... Rolling Eyes Laughing

(Take a peek at jafa's link above about CPU temps, and you'll see most AMDs tend to have a lower-rated max temp anyway.....but it's a bit misleading, since AMD's power/speed ratings are always an 'approximation'. It's nearly impossible to find accurate temps for an AMD, unless you take those readings yourself.....and even then you've got a job on, since Advanced Micro Devices simply don't place their internal sensors in the same locations that Intel use.)

Mine runs a Coolermaster fan on top, and I've rigged things up so there's an additional 'extracter' fan screwed to the inside of the main side-panel vent, immediately above the CPU, and running off a 'Y' connector from the rear case fan. Seems to work pretty well; even in summer, after encoding a video with Openshot, it's rare to see the temps much above 40°C. If they get up around the 50-mark, I start worrying..! (Max is, apparently, around the 70-72°C mark; I cannot imagine what it would take to get 'er that hot.)

I also strip 'er down and replace the TPM once a year (before the summer arrives), whether I think it needs it or not......and take the opportunity to clean all the fan housings, and give the heatsink itself a darn good spring-clean. An hour or so's annual maintenance is all it takes, really....and once you've done it a couple of times, it's no sweat to do so.


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 23:50    Post subject:  

Quote:
when reaching +60 C fans start to run and cool things down for a while


Set the fans to come on at a lower temp if it bothers you.

But even 60 C is within normal range.

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