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labbe5

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PostPosted: Wed 15 May 2019, 16:46    Post subject:  Simplicity Linux 19.10 Alpha
Subject description: based on Stretchdog
 

https://sourceforge.net/projects/simplicitylinux/files/1904Beta/

Summery

Simplicity Linux uses Puppy Linux and derivatives as a base, uses the XFCE window manager, and comes in 3 editions: Netbook, Desktop and Media. Netbook features cloud based software, Desktop features locally based software and Media edition is designed to allow people who want a lounge PC to access their media with ease.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/simplicitylinux/

The developer of Simplicity Linux (under active development) does not use the Puppy forum, but it is Puppy-related stuff worth to be known.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 17:32    Post subject: Simplicity Linux 19.10 Alpha
Subject description: based on Stretchdog
 

It is based on Stretchdog, which in turn is based on Debian Stretch.

All three editions of Simplicity Linux 19.10 feature Ecosia as the default search engine. This is a search engine where revenue from ads is used to plant trees. It is something we have been testing for some time, and we weren’t going to include it in the alpha releases. However, after hearing about the fires in the Amazon Rainforest, we have decided to include Ecosia in each version. It’s our way of trying to help in whatever small way we can.


https://www.ecosia.org/

Instead of using Google search engine, and make Google richer by the second, use an alternative search engine such as Ecosia, which makes revenues from ads, but do some good with its money : planting trees.
http://www.simplicitylinux.org/simplicity-linux-19-10-alpha-isos-are-here/
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 23:01    Post subject: Re: Simplicity Linux 19.10 Alpha
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labbe5 wrote:
It is based on Stretchdog[/b], which in turn is based on Debian Stretch.


which, means it is ancestrally based on Debian-live (not on Puppy at all, though StretchDog does allow user to use some Puppy utilities, but provides more of its own). It is not a derivative of Puppy - it is a derivative of Debian-live, though possibly the most popular version uses an initramfs (modified) from Porteus Linux.

Puppy itself has an independently developed initramfs, but relies on Debian, Ubuntu, or Slackware repos for its main app functionality.

The DebianDogs has its own independent github site: "The DebianDog Organization at Github":

https://github.com/DebianDog/

which I started at a time saintless (Toni) was still an active(lead) developer of the DebianDogs, but that github site has since become almost entirely run and looked after by Fred.

The Dogs also have their own website, created on that github resource by Fred:

https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/

Unfortunately (at least I consider it unfortunate) DebianDog doesn't (as yet?) have its own forum (there are certainly enough DebianDogs and interest in them to justify a larger forum area/section). Such forums take a lot of extra admin work though - the DDs could do with having their own John Murga type figure who would take than on (setting up, administering forum uses up precious time for actual distro development work) and time to establish, so I guess that lack is not surprising.

I do myself feel that the DebianDogs should be announced to Distrowatch (DD been around for almost six years now!), however, or at least the latest incarnations such as BionicDog with Fred-created github "[Debian] Dog Linux" homepage notified as its home site. But such announcement are up to Fred of course since he pretty much the DDs sole developer nowadays - though it is a community project in terms of its development model.

I wonder what saintless is up to these days.

As for Simplicity Linux, I haven't yet tried it at all - I'm sure it is great and a lot of work. However, I do feel, looking at its website that its (StretchDog dependent) developer does not give anything like as much credit to DebianDog's development work, brushing it off rather with the briefest of statements:

"We’re proud to announce the release of Simplicity Linux 19.10. It is based on Stretchdog, which in turn is based on Debian Stretch"

Indeed the Simplicity Linux sourceforge project page seems to not mention StretchDog at all!

"Simplicity Linux uses Puppy Linux and derivatives as a base, uses the XFCE window manager, and comes in 3 editions: Netbook, Desktop and Media."

wiak

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 23:26    Post subject: Re: Simplicity Linux 19.10 Alpha
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wiak wrote:
labbe5 wrote:
It is based on Stretchdog[/b], which in turn is based on Debian Stretch.


which, means it is based on Debian-live (not on Puppy at all, though StretchDog does allow user to use some Puppy utilities, but provides more of its own). It is not a derivative of Puppy - it is a derivative of Debian-live, though possibly the most popular version uses an initramfs (modified) from Porteus Linux.

Puppy itself has an independently developed initramfs, but relies on Debian, Ubuntu, or Slackware repos for its main app functionality.



Might you be being a tad pedantic here? The dog linux distro is puppy-like enough for me and I often recommend them to people looking for apt functionality or to run a puppy-like distro in a virtualbox.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 23:28    Post subject: Re: Simplicity Linux 19.10 Alpha
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s243a wrote:
wiak wrote:
labbe5 wrote:
It is based on Stretchdog[/b], which in turn is based on Debian Stretch.


which, means it is based on Debian-live (not on Puppy at all, though StretchDog does allow user to use some Puppy utilities, but provides more of its own). It is not a derivative of Puppy - it is a derivative of Debian-live, though possibly the most popular version uses an initramfs (modified) from Porteus Linux.

Puppy itself has an independently developed initramfs, but relies on Debian, Ubuntu, or Slackware repos for its main app functionality.



Might you be being a tad pedantic here? The dog linux distro is puppy enough for me and I often recommend them to people looking for apt functionality or to run a puppy-like distro in a virtualbox.


No, not pedantic at all. It is a nonsense to claim that DebianDog is a derivative of Puppy Linux. That is also disrespectful to the hard work of the DebianLive community and Debian developers as a whole (and Porteus developers). Developers may not be paid for their thousands of hours (and years) of development effort, but crediting others for work that is not theirs is wrong.

To say that DebianDog was 'inspired' by Puppy Linux size and flexibility (sfs handling and so on) is a different matter - it was.

Actually, modern DebianDog doesn't have look and feel of Puppy at all (and I use it every day since 2013) - it is somewhat like other DebianLive-based distributions in most respects (including of course apt/Synaptics). No Puppy Package Manager hiccups with DebianDog...

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 23:32    Post subject: Re: Simplicity Linux 19.10 Alpha
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 23:37    Post subject:  

That is not
s243a wrote:
splitting hairs
as you stated in your previous post but have since deleted.

At the end of the day, being 'inspired by' doesn't mean very much. I was inspired by Yggdrasil Linux and a fan of RedHat 5.1! So what.

Being 'derived' from another distributions means something much more definite. In the context of this thread, Simplicity Linux is not only inspired by StretchDog it is actually derived from it directly.

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