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Which Puppy is best for USB Flash drive?
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Fovana


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 08:27    Post subject:  Which Puppy is best for USB Flash drive?  

Hello folk. Wow, so strange that I can't register protonmai :/.

So. I'm new here and also new on Linux. Used for some time Mint and Ubuntu. And now I want to have it on USB Flash drive. I mean, boot it and use it from USB. Found that puppy best fit my situation. But don't know which version to choose and how to install it in USB. Found smth on utube, but it wont work. So I hope I will find some help in this forum Smile.
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peterw

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 09:18    Post subject: Which Version of Puppy  

Welcome to Puppy.
You ask which version to pick and you are spoilt for choice. And that is a good place to be. It would be useful to tell us what hardware {(UEFI or MBR) (32 or 64 bit PC)}, etc,you are going to use and what you want to use Puppy for.

As far as what version, it is so easy to load Puppy to a USB that you can try them all. I like Bionic, Slacko and Fatdog (Puppy close relation).
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Fovana


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 09:53    Post subject: Re: Which Version of Puppy  

peterw wrote:
Welcome to Puppy.
You ask which version to pick and you are spoilt for choice. And that is a good place to be. It would be useful to tell us what hardware {(UEFI or MBR) (32 or 64 bit PC)}, etc,you are going to use and what you want to use Puppy for.

As far as what version, it is so easy to load Puppy to a USB that you can try them all. I like Bionic, Slacko and Fatdog (Puppy close relation).


Thank you Smile.

I will use it on UEFI 64 bit laptop which are very low. It's like 1.1GHz and 2GB RAM Smile.
For why I will use Puppy? I don't know exact. At stage one I want to learn using Linux at any way. Stage two will be security. Stage three will be Linux Kali for more deep reasons. But first of all as I told, i need to learn using Linux Smile.
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rockedge


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 10:47    Post subject:  

Hello! Welcome....I think soon you will be getting some tips from some members.....

what type of machine would you be booting with the USB stick? Ahh I see now!

Bionic64-v8 would be a good candidate to begin with to get a feel for where you want to gp
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jafadmin

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 12:12    Post subject:  

I'm liking BionicPup64-8.0 right now for this. It is very easy to make a bootable UEFI/BIOS flash USB flash drive.

Just go to Menu->Setup->"Bootflash install Puppy to USB" near the bottom, and follow the instructions. Make sure to approve the "add legacy bios boot" option at the end of the install. That way the thumb will boot either way ..

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-bionic/bionicpup64/
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 13:24    Post subject:  

http://puppylinux.com/

First download one of the Puppy version iso.

If you burn the Puppy version iso to a CD and boot using the CD.
Make sure to select burn iso image.
Boot using this CD install of Puppy.

Most Puppy versions have several different installers that can do an install to USB.

If you are trying to do the USB install running in Windows.
Use one of these programs.

Rufus USB installer
https://rufus.akeo.ie/

UNetbootin to install to USB
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

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Fovana


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 13:41    Post subject:  

jafadmin wrote:
I'm liking BionicPup64-8.0 right now for this. It is very easy to make a bootable UEFI/BIOS flash USB flash drive.

Just go to Menu->Setup->"Bootflash install Puppy to USB" near the bottom, and follow the instructions. Make sure to approve the "add legacy bios boot" option at the end of the install. That way the thumb will boot either way ..

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-bionic/bionicpup64/


About which program you are talking? "Menu->Setup->"Bootflash install Puppy to USB"
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 14:51    Post subject:  

If you are actually booted and running Bionicpup64 8.0.
That is a program in the menu.
Bootflash is normally a separate item listed in menu->Setup

Bionicpup64 8.0 Bootflash may be an option when you run menu->Setup->Puppy Installer

See my above post.

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Fovana


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 14:56    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
http://puppylinux.com/

First download one of the Puppy version iso.

If you burn the Puppy version iso to a CD and boot using the CD.
Make sure to select burn iso image.
Boot using this CD install of Puppy.

Most Puppy versions have several different installers that can do an install to USB.

If you are trying to do the USB install running in Windows.
Use one of these programs.

Rufus USB installer
https://rufus.akeo.ie/

UNetbootin to install to USB
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/


Hmm okay I will try Rufus for that. But am I correct, if I install in thro Rufus, I will launch Puppy from USBFLash? I mean it will work/run on usb flash?
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 15:10    Post subject:  

Yes.
You do have to tell the computer to boot from the USB flash drive.

Usually, just as you start the computer. There will be some F key to press, so a boot device selection menu pops up.
Could be F8 or F12 or F10 or F9, etc.......
Depends on what they used for your specific computer.
Most of the time, the very first screen that shows any witting, will tell you what key to press.

My computer it is F8.

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Fovana


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 15:18    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Yes.
You do have to tell the computer to boot from the USB flash drive.

Usually, just as you start the computer. There will be some F key to press, so a boot device selection menu pops up.
Could be F8 or F12 or F10 or F9, etc.......
Depends on what they used for your specific computer.
Most of the time, the very first screen that shows any witting, will tell you what key to press.

My computer it is F8.


Yeah.
I get this:

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Loadin drivers needed to access disk drives
Searching for Puppy files...
ERROR: Windows NTFS hibernated partition, cannot mount
pausing...
ERROR: Windows NTFS hibernated partition, cannot mount
pausing...
ERROR: Windows NTFS hibernated partition, cannot mount
pausing...
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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 15:59    Post subject:  

Someone will shortly advise you how to turn off "hibernate". Please advise which version of Windows you are running. The instructions differ among Windows 7, 8 and 10.

You'll probably also need advice on how to configure your computer to boot from a USB-Stick before initiating booting from your hard-drive: known as giving your USB-port boot-priority. Fortunately, you only have to perform those operations once.

It would help if we knew the exact Make & Model of your computer. Each manufacturer may have chosen a slightly different procedure: for example, immediately after pressing the Power Button Press the F11 key or the Delete key or the F2 Key...

Running Windows, an easy way to create a USB-Puppy is to install Lick, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=462720#462720. Rufus, previously mentioned, is also very good.

Currently, I don't recommend Unetbootin as it doesn't work 'out of the box'. It will almost work. But the boot instructions written to the USB-Key are those for booting from a CD/DVD. So you have to manually edit those instructions. This can get more complicated that it may appear if your only operating system is Windows. Linux is Case-Sensitive. Windows sometimes (always?) changes lower-case to upper-case, even when just 'up-dating' a file.

Lastly, it may be necessary to turn off "Secure boot" from within Windows. Again, this may differ from one version of Windows to another; and one model of computer to another.

Microsoft doesn't control what computer manufacture's do --only who they sell to. It has leveraged its dominance of the PC market --80%+-- to encourage manufactures --No pressure, no quid-pro-quo, mind you-- that if they want to sell computers with Windows pre-installed they have to use the UEFI mechanism and Windows installed with a default setting of "secure boot" and hibernate on 'shut-down'. None of the forgoing, by the way, makes booting Widows any more secure. In fact, by insisting on the use of only one method of doing things, they have made it easier for hackers to figure out how to undo or circumvent them.
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 16:20    Post subject: Getting Windows out of Hibernate  

As mikesir says getting your laptop out of hibernate has to be done. When you shutdown Windows it does not actually shutdown; it goes into a hibernate state so that it can start up fast. I seem to recall that telling Windows to restart will stop it going into a hibernate state and so you could try that.
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 16:39    Post subject:  

You will need to find and turn off 'Fast Boot' if you are in Win 10.

I don't remember where is was hidding, but it can be found.

Be ready for it to take quite awhile for win to start when you need to go back to windows for some reason.

Tom
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2019, 16:41    Post subject:  

It is pretty easy to shut off the hibernation mode.

You will boot into Windows and follow the instructions
here -> https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/support-software/How-to-disable-Sleep-Mode-or-Hibernation-793/
or https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-enable-or-disable-hibernate-in-windows-10/

then reboot and make sure you go into a boot menu that will let you select USB
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