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Installed applications will not launch (solved - ANKI )
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memo

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 12:23    Post subject:  Installed applications will not launch (solved - ANKI )
Subject description: Google earth, gajim and Anki for example
 

Hello,

Thank for the great effort and the great distribution. I installed it in an old machine that I have and it works. However, I have a problem with launching some applications. For instance, I have installed google earth, gajim and Anki. the setup process went smooth and they have been installed with dependencies and also appeared in the menu. However, when I click them like any other application nothing happen and they do not launch.

another problem, when I install an app , it is sometimes installed with many dependencies that I could not even know how to read them, but when I want to remove that app I don't know which dependencies related to this specific app and the uninstaller usually uninstall the main app without the dependencies. is there is maybe an easy way to remove an app with its related dependencies?

I hope you can help me solve this problem.

Thank you

MY version of puppy is xenialpup.

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bigpup


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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 12:37    Post subject:  

What exact version of Xenialpup??????
How are you specifically installing these programs?

Linux software and really any software, has to be compiled for specific versions of the operating system.
Dependency stuff, needed to run a program, is kind of an educated guess. Sometimes it gets everything needed, sometimes not.
Compiling software is an art.
You can compile, giving everything needed or compile with most of what is needed, and hope the rest will be there in the OS, or can be figured out, what to add.

How specifically are you doing the uninstalls

A program that will not run.
If you open a console/terminal.
Usually type the name of the program.
Press enter key.
It will tell you what is wrong. What is missing.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 13:09    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
What exact version of Xenialpup??????
How are you specifically installing these programs?

Linux software and really any software, has to be compiled for specific versions of the operating system.
Dependency stuff, needed to run a program, is kind of an educated guess. Sometimes it gets everything needed, sometimes not.
Compiling software is an art.
You can compile, giving everything needed or compile with most of what is needed, and hope the rest will be there in the OS, or can be figured out, what to add.

How specifically are you doing the uninstalls

A program that will not run.
If you open a console/terminal.
Usually type the name of the program.
Press enter key.
It will tell you what is wrong. What is missing.



thanks for the quick response.
my version of Xenialpup is 7.5 on 32 bit non pae machine. I install them through the package manager. i search for it , then i click it then I press do it button.
to uninstall an app I just click the uninstall app from the package manager then click the app i want to uninstall then I uninstall. However due to the fact that I i have installed more than one app, there are a lot of dependencies and I don't know what belongs to what so I just keep them and I only Uninstall the main app. I thought it would be handy If i can remove the dependencies of the related app as well.

I followed your advice about the terminal and the outcome is in the attachments
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 13:40    Post subject:  

OK. Thanks for info!

You are trying to do stuff the correct way.

When Puppy Package Manager(PPM) uninstalls stuff it usually reports anything it did not uninstall.
It does that with some dependencies, because some other program may need them.
This is educated guessing.
But you probably already closed that uninstalled info window.

Not 100% always, but usually it is OK.
I look at the PPM->Uninstall list and go to the next entry for a specific program.
What is listed just below and between specific program entries is stuff added for the first program.
Needed dependencies usually are listed below the entry for the specific program.

However, the safe thing is just keep whatever dependencies are still installed.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 13:46    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
OK. Thanks for info!

You are trying to do stuff the correct way.

When Puppy Package Manager(PPM) uninstalls stuff it usually reports anything it did not uninstall.
It does that with some dependencies, because some other program may need them.
This is educated guessing.
But you probably already closed that uninstalled info window.

Not 100% always, but usually it is OK.
I look at the PPM->Uninstall list and go to the next entry for a specific program.
What is listed just below and between specific program entries is stuff added for the first program.
Needed dependencies usually are listed below the entry for the specific program.

However, the safe thing is just keep whatever dependencies are still installed.


Yes, I thought also that it would be safe to leave the dependencies. D you maybe know how I can get the anki to work, I have attached a screen shot in my previous replay.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 15:28    Post subject:  

@ memo:-

Take some advice from somebody who's had experience of this kinda thing. It never hurts to leave dependencies where they are; mostly, they're pretty small, and don't take up much space. There are exceptions, as with everything.....but the trouble with trying to remove deps, etc., is that if you're not very knowledgeable you can end up doing harm, rather than good.....and breaking other apps in the process. A lot of apps use certain, common dependencies; it takes a good package manager to know what it can safely remove, and what it can't.....

Besides, if something that a new app wants is already there, you're ahead of the game, aren't you?


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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 15:38    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
@ memo:-

Take some advice from somebody who's had experience of this kinda thing. It never hurts to leave dependencies where they are; mostly, they're pretty small, and don't take up much space. There are exceptions, as with everything.....but the trouble with trying to remove deps, etc., is that if you're not very knowledgeable you can end up doing harm, rather than good.....and breaking other apps in the process. A lot of apps use certain, common dependencies; it takes a good package manager to know what it can safely remove, and what it can't.....

Besides, if something that a new app wants is already there, you're ahead of the game, aren't you?


Mike. Wink



Thanks a lot Mike for the advice, yes i will leave them where they are, this is the safest approach Smile do you maybe know hoe to install Anki, it is in the ppm but after installation I click it and nothing happened, I attached a screenshot of the terminal in my replay above.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 16:54    Post subject:  

memo wrote:

do you maybe know hoe to install Anki, it is in the ppm but after installation I click it and nothing happened, I attached a screenshot of the terminal in my replay above.


Hi memo,

Looks like you are missing some python stuff. (maybe other stuff also)
Have to fix one thing at a time until all the dependencies are present

The python libs usually are installed by loading the devx sfs module.
IYou can get that from this directory
https://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-xenial/32/
it is the file named devx_xenialpup_7.5.sfs

You load the sfs modules from menu-->setup-->SFS-load-on-the-fly

sfs files should be copied to /mnt/home/ so the system can see them
sfs files do not need to go in the save file (I don't know how you installed puppy so might not apply)
Exclamation sfs-load-on-the-fly will not work correctly on a full install, I hope you chose frugal install method

The devx has a lot of sometimes essential packages, usually helps to have it loaded when installing complicated programs (complicated meaning lots of dependencies) Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 17:08    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
memo wrote:

do you maybe know hoe to install Anki, it is in the ppm but after installation I click it and nothing happened, I attached a screenshot of the terminal in my replay above.


Hi memo,

Looks like you are missing some python stuff. (maybe other stuff also)
Have to fix one thing at a time until all the dependencies are present

The python libs usually are installed by loading the devx sfs module.
IYou can get that from this directory
https://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-xenial/32/
it is the file named devx_xenialpup_7.5.sfs

You load the sfs modules from menu-->setup-->SFS-load-on-the-fly

sfs files should be copied to /mnt/home/ so the system can see them
sfs files do not need to go in the save file (I don't know how you installed puppy so might not apply)
Exclamation sfs-load-on-the-fly will not work correctly on a full install, I hope you chose frugal install method

The devx has a lot of sometimes essential packages, usually helps to have it loaded when installing complicated programs (complicated meaning lots of dependencies) Smile

.


thanks a lot guys, the problem is solved . the python-sip was missing Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov 2019, 15:25    Post subject:  

The devx does add some maybe needed stuff.
Good tip perdido!
Thanks!

Here is what was found to get python-sip installed in an earlier version of Puppy.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87018

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