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mkkde: create your custom KDE 3.5.5
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the_spudster

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Nov 2006, 19:35    Post subject:  

Hi Mark
Just checked the symlink and it has already been made.
Simon
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the_spudster

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2006, 12:51    Post subject:  

Still no joy with Kolourpaint..............not too worried though.
A quick question for MU, do you think it would be possible to use the mkkde program to make a .sfs for Mythtv or is there a better way, and do you think that Puppy would be a suitable Os.
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fitzhugh


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Nov 2006, 16:16    Post subject:  

Ah - too cool Mark! Once again you pull it off. I will be itching to try it till I get a chance, which won't be for a bit yet Sad
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lickthefrog2


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Dec 2006, 14:51    Post subject:  

Hi,

I tried the mkkde thing with no luck. I'm sure it's my own ignorance about the very complicated things that are going on.

When I try to launch Kicker it tells me:

Code:
kicker: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


I tried to add BasKet (the primary reason why I'm trying mkkde). It shows in the menu items but doesn't work, and trying to launch it from the command prompt tells me:

Code:
basket: error while loading shared libraries: libgpgme.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


I saw the earlier post about creating symlinks, but I don't know what I'm supposed to link from.

Strangely, my IceWM settings got screwed up from this attempt (I think). When I rebooted, I lost my desktop image and the choice of background images is fewer, plus the top toolbar that used to be there isn't there.

So I'm poking around trying to figure it out. I don't mind, of course, because every time something goes wrong, I learn.

Thanks,
Lickthefrog
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MU


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 09:03    Post subject:  

please type these command, and report what results you get:

ls -al /usr/lib | grep qt
readlink /usr/lib/qt


Which Puppy do you use?
Howdid you install BasKet?
I'd try it myself, but need a downloadlink.

Is icewm working correct again, when you remove the kde.sfs?

Mark
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lickthefrog2


Joined: 22 Nov 2006
Posts: 57

PostPosted: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 11:31    Post subject:  

Sorry Mark,

When I saw Muppy006 was available, I went for it, so now I'm running that.

I have two pupsaves, but I'm already working on the new one, re-customizing it, so I don't know if I can reproduce the problem. There are two pup_saves but I really messed things up.

I decided to start over because when I compiled the linux-wacom driver, I didn't get the stylus button right, so because I have to do it again, I'm just starting over all the way. Plus the KDE thing didn't work....but anyway, I will try mkkde again and let you know.

BasKet I got from here: http://www.linuxpackages.net/pkg_details.php?id=10129

I went for the one from 11 based on the_spudster's post in this thread, also adding the two .tgz's Simon mentioned.

There is a weird problem in Muppy006. When I do setrox1 it says:

Code:

sh-3.00# setrox1
sh-3.00#
Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
/root/.gtkrc.mine:1: error: unexpected identifier `gtk-icon-theme-name', expected keyword - e.g. `style'


Thanks again,
lickthefrog2


EDITED: Question: One of the features that I am curious to try with BasKet is using it as a filelauncher. One of the screenshots from here: http://basket.kde.org/ shows a page that has in it an icon for a .odt file. That feature is one I'm hoping to take advantage of. Think that would work on Muppy as it is (IceWM) or should I go for a full KDE based flavor?
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MU


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 20:40    Post subject:  

I hope I can take a look at mkkde in Muppy this week myself.
It might be good to delete the 2 folders
override/usr/share/applications
and
override/usr/share/desktop-directories
, as Muppy already comes with optimized .desktop entries.
Only these might be needed:
amarok.desktop
k3b.desktop
KDE-3.5.4.desktop
konqbrowser.desktop
Kppp.desktop

For the rest I will build a test .sfs this week, if I'm not filled up with too much work here (must visit some people).
Mark
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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Dec 2006, 09:27    Post subject:  

Just tried it in Muppy 006.
Used the KDE-packages from Slackware 10.2.

Made the changes as in the last message.
I also changed the qt -folder.

Here is the version with these changes for Muppy 006:
http://dotpups.de/files/mkKDE-3.5.5/mkkde-for-Muppy006.tgz

To run BasKet, I had to install 4 Slackware packages with gslapt:

attr 2.4.32_1-i486-1
acl 2.2.39_1-i486-1
libgpg-error1.4-i486-1df
gpgme 1.0.3-i486-2df

People who don't have Muppy, can install gslapt seperatly:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11929


If you used the old mkkde in Muppy 006, you don't necessarily need to install this new mkkde.
But you might want to reset the .desktop -files to the optimized ones from Muppy with this command:
Code:
cp -ax /initrd/pup_ro2/usr/share/applications/* /usr/share/applications/


Your folder /usr/lib/qt should include at least these files:
bin:
qtconfig

lib:
libdesignercore.a
libdesignercore.prl
libeditor.a
libeditor.prl
libqassistantclient.a
libqassistantclient.prl
libqt-mt.la
libqt-mt.prl
libqt-mt.so
libqt-mt.so.3
libqt-mt.so.3.3
libqt-mt.so.3.3.6
libqt.so
libqt.so.3
libqt.so.3.3
libqt.so.3.3.6
libqui.prl
libqui.so
libqui.so.1
libqui.so.1.0
libqui.so.1.0.0
pkgconfig

Mark

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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Dec 2006, 09:33    Post subject:  

kolourpaint works in Muppy 006.
I installed these files:

arts-1.5.5-i486-1.tgz
baghira-0.8-i486-2sid.tgz
basket-0.6.0-i486-1kjz.tgz
k3b-0.12.17-i486-1.tgz
kdebase-3.5.5-i486-1.tgz
kdegraphics-3.5.5-i486-1.tgz
kdelibs-3.5.5-i486-1.tgz
kdemultimedia-3.5.5-i486-1.tgz
krusader-1.70.1-i486-2sl.tgz


Baghira , basket and Krusader only for tests, they are not needed.
Mark
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lickthefrog2


Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006, 11:47    Post subject:  

Got it working, Mark. Thanks!

There are some errors, but I don't really know what they mean and what's related to what.

For instance, when I type kcontrol in console it tells me:

Code:
Qt: Locales not supported on X server



Launching Kicker in console gives me all kinds of weird messages:

Code:
sh-3.00# Kicker
cp: `/usr/share/mini-icons/pupdvdtool.xpm' and `/opt/kde/share/icons/default.kde/16x16/apps/pupdvdtool.xpm' are the same file
kdeinit: Shutting down running client.
---------------------------------
It looks like dcopserver is already running. If you are sure
that it is not already running, remove /root/.DCOPserver_puppypc__0
and start dcopserver again.
---------------------------------

KDE Daemon (kded) already running.
kbuildsycoca running...
Reusing existing ksycoca
kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_features.desktop
kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_notes.desktop
kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/ark.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-tbz2'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/amarok.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/asx'
---(more)----
kbuildsycoca:  WARNING '/usr/share/applications/[openoffice, mplayer/gnumeric...]
---(etc)---


Knotify also comes up and gives me a long list of things which I can post if requested.

Everything appears to be working, though. I don't understand what happens when I try to use the K Taskbar (when I launch Kicker) versus using IceWM's taskbar. They seem to be incompatible.

As I start to learn more, hopefully I'll be able to figure out how to fix things myself.


Thanks again,
lickthefrog2
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MU


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006, 11:54    Post subject:  

it seems the messages are not really errors, but hints of what is used.
So basket seems to have optional database-support, if a matching one is installed.

But if it works, you can ignore them.

Kicker:
I rightclick the taskbar -> configure panel
hiding -> show panel buttons

Now the taskbar has buttons on the left and right to hide it.
So I only unhide it, to launch an application from it.

The Kicker" Dotpup also starts some services required bysome KDE-programs.
So it might be required to run it first.
For example in Konqueror, I cannot set all options, if it was not started.

Mark
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lickthefrog2


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006, 18:27    Post subject:  

I see; I get the point about Kicker. Indeed, some programs don't load unless I click the Kicker DotPups menu item first.

I have a few questions about exiting KDE and even powering off. I can't.

I try from the menu commands and it fails: ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't do it either. Screen freezes or alternates colors.

Specifically, the KDE logout command does nothing while the IceWM logout command closes open applications, but doesn't even exit X.

But I'm also having a few problems with BasKet (GPGME: Invalid crypto engine), so I'm going to try to mkkde again later.

Can I just delete the KDE_.sfs and start from scratch? I'll probably answer my own question but I'm about to commute home, so not until tonight.

Thanks,

lickthefrog2

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006, 18:47    Post subject:  

The best resource for any KDE queries would be their own home page

Rather than "customising" using an uneasy mixture of Puppy pups, Slackware repositories, alien Pkge formats-
defaults to layer conflicting options -

Choose Kde base, kde arts & kdeutils - and if want to develop with aid of GUI wrapper > Kde development tools)
http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/project.php#distribution
Quote:
The Current KDE distribution
The current official KDE distribution consists of the following packages:
aRts: Analog realtime synthesizer and sound daemon. Its supposed to become obsolete at the time of KDE 4.0 release. Its subsititude will be Phonon
KDE-Libs: Various run-time libraries << {N O T E}
KDE-Base: The base components (window-manager, desktop, panel, Konqueror)
KDE-Network: KNode, KNewsticker, Kppp, ...
KDE-Pim: KMail, KAddressbook, KOrganizer, KPilot, ...
KDE-Graphics: Graphics applications such as KDVI, KGhostview, KPaint, KFax, ...
KDE-Multimedia: Noatun, KMidi, KSCD, ...
KDE-Accessibility: apps to improve accessibility for disabled people...
KDE-Utilities: KEdit, KCalc, KHexEdit, KNotes, ...
KDE-Edu: Edutainment related programs
KDE-Games: KAsteroids, KPat, KTetris, ...
KDE-Toys: Fun stuff
KDE-Addons: Addons for Konqueror, Kate, Kicker and Noatun
KDE-Artwork: Additional icons, styles, wallpapers, screensavers and window decorations
KDE-Admin: Various tools to aid system administration
KDE-SDK: Script and tools which simplify development of KDE applications
KOffice: Integrated office suite
KDevelop: C/C++ Integrated Development Environment
KDE-Bindings: bindings for various programming languages (Python, Ruby, Perl, Jave
http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php#_KDE_Usage_Tips
Quote:

KDE Usage Tips
[-]
Common Command Line Options
Environment Variables
KOrganizer and the MS Exchange plug-in
Keyboard Shortcuts
Live CDs
Performance Tips
Secret Config Settings <<< { NOTE}
Spamassassin, Sylpheed, Korn, and Fetchmail
Tips and Tricks for (advanced) KDE users


Then work within Kde options for altering settings to match own work habits, preferences.

http://www.kde.org/

http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php

http://kde-apps.org/
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006, 19:56    Post subject:  

to exit kicker, drag
/usr/local/KDE-3.5.5/killkicker on your desktop.
Then click on it, to close kicker.
Maybe it also works to call it from
/root/my-applications/bin/icewmpoweroff
and
/root/my-applications/bin/icewmreboot

something like
Code:
#!/bin/sh
#called from IceWM menu
/usr/local/KDE-3.5.5/killkicker
sleep 3


Then you would not need to click on it, but I'm not shure it works.


The gpgme-error appears, if you install the wrong gpgme with gslapt.
Be shure to use the version I mentioned above.
I also had tried another one before, and got the same error.

Mark
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lickthefrog2


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Dec 2006, 14:39    Post subject:  

Gn2 wrote:
The best resource for any KDE queries would be their own home page

Rather than "customising" using an uneasy mixture of Puppy pups, Slackware repositories, alien Pkge formats-
defaults to layer conflicting options -

Choose Kde base, kde arts & kdeutils - and if want to develop with aid of GUI wrapper > Kde development tools)


Gn2,

I'm sorry, I don't understand. Can I add programs like BasKet from a basic KDE setup? Is that what you're proposing? I tried what you said, with just the three base, arts and utils, but it didn't work unless I also added the libs.

But then i couldn't figure out how to get BasKet, so I redid mkkde with BasKet in the tgz folder.

BasKet is really the only reason why I'm trying to use KDE, though I have noticed that KDE does make me feel more comfortable coming from my Windows background. It has a lot of the right-click functionality that really taught me how to use Windows beyond what most people use.

Thanks for the tips about the KDE sites.

lickthefrog2
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