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PostPosted: Wed 30 May 2007, 14:26    Post subject:  

what do you get?
At first look, it seems ok.
Are the sfs and the dotpup created?

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PostPosted: Wed 30 May 2007, 15:57    Post subject:  

it creates a dotpup and a 237meg sfs after I mount the sfs and run the dotpup

when i reboot and run xwin startkde it informs me no
kstartup config file found check installation Sad and refuses
to start and when in icewm kicker refuses to run

Embarassed Shocked Laughing problem exists between keyboard and chair! I ran the .wh. remover script and all my probs went
away!
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2007, 23:44    Post subject:  

I am using Puppy right now off of my USB Flash Drive, and was wondering what I change when trying to install this. Thanks to anyone who helps! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2007, 16:22    Post subject:  

Hi Mark, Guten Tag! Wink

I've got a question for you after reading through a great deal of this thread: I have your GSlapt.pup installed and it's been working really great for me in getting a lot of software for my HDD install (not frugal---full HDD) of Puppy 2.17 onto a 10gig partition. I also have WhoDo's EZpup2.17RC2, so I'm using IceWM by default for a window manager.

I've added extra repos to GSlapt so that I span Slacky from 10.2 up to 12, using a list brought over from another Slacky-based install. It's worked great.

Now I'm curious and here's the question: I've done many successful installs of KDE upon non-KDE distros, like Wolvix and VectorLinux Gold (plus others), and I'm wondering if it would be possible to do such a KDE install upon such a minimal install as Puppy 2.17 straight from GSlapt? Or do you think this wouldn't work like it does in these other distros? Only Vector has the "one file grabs all" system in their GSlapt---all the other installs I've had to select each and every package and yes... despite my connection I still go make coffee. Laughing So I do realise there's "a lot to it".

Even you must start from "somewhere", jah? Do you compile your entire KDE desktop or just download from Slacky repo Mark?

I'm very excited to read your thoughts upon this idea! Smile

Mazzel! mfg!

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2007, 16:47    Post subject:  

Bonsoir Smile

I simply downloaded the KDE-packages from Slackware with a browser.
Then my build-script extracts them, and runs the included "install" script (it copies it one folder up first).

This script usually just creates some symbolic links.

Then my script builds the .sfs from these extracted and "modified" folders.

That's it basically, however then some detail-work is added.
First, I ran some applications like konqueror from a consolewindow.
This showed me some missing dependencies, so I also downloaded and added those.
Then I modified "startkde".
I don't exactly remember what I changed, I think I modified things like some XDG environment variables.
These are for menu-generation, but I think also for other settings.
Without these changes, KDE got confused, and for example konqueror would not remember its bookmarks on next startup.

My changes might not be needed, if you'd run KDE as full desktop (not using JWM or Icewm as windowmanager).
But for me it was important to be able to run KDE-applications from within Puppys standard desktop.

So as conclusion:
It definately is wort a try to play around a bit.
Just on a harddisk-installation it always is quite risky to "break" things, so I'd suggest to try it with a frugal installation or boot from CD.
Then you can restart from scratch, if too many weird things happen.

Best wishes mon ami, aussi to the calm, wide landscape where you live, and where things are less hectic than here (at least I image it like that) Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2007, 12:09    Post subject:  

Danke Mark! Sehr gut danke! (In my terribly mangled German! You'd never know I once spoke as a native...)

You have imagined rightly about my little city of 17,000. Though people here tend to think that life goes at a hectic pace, I've lived in the BIG CITY and so know what "hectic pace" really means. Life here is very slow, days are long, crime is low, and the schools are still excellent. I'm very thankful that my grandchildren will be going to school here and receiving one of the best public educations in the entire nation. Smile

So your dream of this being a peaceful, slower-paced place, and somewhat idyllic, are actually true. Hold onto that! Yet this is NO place for those who love entertainment, night-life, and culture. None to be found. And there are still places by me where one may travel for 150 to 200km and see nothing but forests and wildlife. Some friends who have visited from Germany have called my area, "The 4th World." And not in a good term. But they loved New York Big City night-life, see?

Still... we have our many problems---like any place in the world, true. Unemployment is the highest in the nation here. Taxes are the highest in the nation. And for yearly income we are the 50th (worst) in the nation. Half the state (or more) makes $10,000 below the USA poverty levels.

I think I had better stop. Embarassed But in my area I've often had problems with the bears getting into my trashcans at night. LOL! Laughing

Thanks for your input here Mark! Yes... what I had intended on doing was in like Wolvix, VectorLinux, and the others in which I've installed KDE, was to install the entire desktop environment and use that in Puppy just as I had in those others. Only VL has the "one file installs all" method and all the rest had where you had to select the files yourself out of GSlapt/Synaptic. Even in VL I chose to select the files myself as I go for more than what the "one file method" gives you most often. Wink

Then I was going to use the KDM to tie in the JWM/IceWM sessions so that I could select which desktop I wanted. Some distros automagically did this for me, some didn't. Those that didn't it wasn't too difficult to figure out how to patch them in. Because of your teachings and my love of poking around I've learnt a little more than I let on to here. Wink

But you gave me a great idea! Where I have a HDD install I was thinking "too narrow" and in terms of just the HDD and trying it there. I never thought to set up a LiveCD environment first and using that for the test. Great! Thank you!

Now, I have 1gig of swap which is persistently loaded and 526megs of RAM. A 1.5gig sized pup_save.2fs should be large enough for this test for all the unpacking of softwares and installing, yes? A full KDE desktop to install is HUGE so I don't wish to run out of room.

Sorry for taking up so much of your time with the unimportant parts of this post. I wanted to show you your dream is not far from real, however. Smile Sorry also for hijacking your thread as this doesn't really deal with your mini-KDE either. Sad

Merci mille fois mon tres bon ami!

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2007, 16:29    Post subject:  

thanks for the interesting reply Smile
You spoke german natively once?

Well I come from a small town in the north. 5000 inhabitants, very poor, too.
I lived in Hamburg only for 3 years then.
I love the large forrests there, and water, like lakes or rivers where you can swim in.
Here in the south where I live since february now, the country looks less wild, more cultivated. But on the other hand, we have a lot more sun here Smile



KDE:
mine is around 100 MB, but I do not use all applications.
But a pup_save of 1.5 GB will certainly be more than enough for a full KDE.
And keep in mind, that you only need it for the final installation.
For temporary files, like extracted slackware-archives, you also can use a mounted partition from your harddisk.

I have bought an external USB-harddisk, and so can easily can share large amounts of data among different computers.
I also use it, to transfer one pup_save.sfs from one computer to another sometimes.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2007, 20:07    Post subject:  

In re: to German, yes Mark---I once spoke that, along with several other European languages, as a "native speaker". Self-taught at that. Smile Plus I was also an interpreter and language instructor for the deaf in American Sign Language, two types of French, plus Arabic, for one of the major hospital's here in my state, various organisations, courts, etc.

And yet I lost everything, even my computer knowledge (I did programming but I don't even remember the language it was), and had to begin again from nearly "zero" around 8 to 10 years ago. Maybe less time. Hmm... no, it was before 2000, that much I know. I only remembered my native Akadien and English but forgot all the rest.

But I didn't learn as many languages as my cousin. I won't tell you the number he knew fluently as nobody would believe it. Yet he was on retainer from the University of Philadelphia (? maybe Pennsylvania?) as a translator of ancient documents. Smile He was a very big inspiration to me---and more ill than I.

Anyway, enough! I've taken too much of your thread already. Once you've read this and acknowledged it if some moderator (Flash or John?) wants to delete my posts then please feel free to as they have nothing to do with Mark's mini-KDE. But wait first for Mark to see, okie? After---make disappear please!? Wink

So... I have just returned Mark from trying all of this experiment, okie? I was greatly surprised---I ended up running into "dependency hell" over the KDE install with the LiveCD. After spending an hour bringing over lib-files from my PCLOS-2007 and Debian-Sid and STILL getting errors in trying to start Konqueror (indeed! I couldn't even get KDM nor the desktop running), I called an end to the experiment and deleted the files, pup_save.2fs, etc. I guess Puppy is just too minimal an install perhaps for this?

It's okie though. It was just something I wanted to try, see? Good thing you showed me to think broader and not so narrow. I'd forgotten about trying the LiveCD first. LOL!

Thanks for your help in my experiment Mark! Danke shoen mein "buddy"! Wink

Mazzel! mfg!

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 16:52    Post subject: mkkde - missing libfam.so.0  

Hi everyone,

I've tried to run the script, which works, but I am having to work my way through the missing dependencies.

Well, Kicker is asking for libfam.so.0. But I can't find any package from Slackware (current/12.0) that provides this library.

It doesn't make sense to me. If libfam.so.0 is necessary for a slackware KDE install, then why isn't the package included/available anywhere?

I have found an uncompiled version, but it seems to me that won't do much good ...

This exceeds my operating knowledge of slackware and kde.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep 2007, 01:22    Post subject:  

http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Libraries/Libfam0.0.0.pup
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PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep 2007, 15:00    Post subject: libfam / kde  

Thank you.

I see there are a number of library pups and I installed Mark's puppy software installer.

I'll give KDE another try. I was using Slackware 12 sources, but some things I read suggested that maybe the need for libfam was misleading and so I thought perhaps I was running into incompatibility problems.

So...I tried the link to slackware 11 that was in this thread. Unfortunately, when I try and compile those, the process hangs up at "moving files", the processor goes into overload and then it is time for a re-boot.

Whereas, the Slackware 12 KDE files went exactly according to Mark's instructions, but I was worried that I would run into large numbers of missing dependencies. (And, as it only tells you one at a time, this could become quite time consuming.)

But, when I get some time, I will try again. Right now my processor is busy compiling the "boost" libraries, as I am attempting to install PDFedit.

Thx.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Sep 2007, 20:08    Post subject: kde 3.5.7
Subject description: finally got it
 

After hours and hours and hours ... and hours (well, you know) of making every conceivable mistake, I finally got the script to create a working kde for me.

This is a long post in the hope that I can save someone the hours of aggravation. At least I can tell you a lot of what "not" to do, and list the packages I used as my sources.

Well, my present version is not entirely "working," but more like "proof of concept." I DO NOT have the actual kde desktop running -- there are some components missing, so it hangs up when trying to load.

I do have Kicker and Konqueror file manager working, which is something I was specifically seeking. I don't actually like the KDE desktop itself too much and prefer the speed of the JWM one. But, I guess I am one of two people on the planet who thinks Konqueror is the best filemanager around. (Even KDE is replacing it in 4.0 with Dolphin and relegating Konqueror to the shadows. So, of course, the other person who actually likes Konqueror would have to be the genius (IMHO) who designed it.)

The khtml component is not working, so Konqueror will not work as a web browser in my present install.

I imagine I can solve this by adding more packages, although I thought the "base" packages would work for this.

Warning ... once you tell Puppy to use kde by leaving the X-system to a prompt and typing "xwin startkde" forever after it will try to run kde. Which is a bad thing, if the kde desktop will not actually run. (After the crash and reboot, you may wish to type "xwin jwm" to get back to the default Puppy desktop.

The packages I used were from the slackware 12 repository located here:

http://www.slackware.com/packages/

My sfs file is 76 mb.

I used these packages:

acl-2.2.39_1-i486-2.tgz
arts-1.5.7-i486-1.tgz
k3b-1.0.2-486-1.tgz
kdelibs-3.5.7-i486-2.tgz
amarok-1.4.6-i486-1.tgz
attr-2.4.32_1-i486-2.tgz
kdebase-3.5.7-i486-2.tgz
libxcb-1.0-i486-2.tgz

I think the following are also necessary:
*Have the development sfs loaded.
*install the "qt-3.3.6 libraries for scribus, etc"
*install the libfam0.0.0 libraries (pup)

Now, being something of an expert on what NOT to do, here are some of my many mistakes:
*No matter how tempting, don't use your NTFS partition, even though it is mounting just fine and has lots of space. There are permissions problems (and also it compiles a lot slower on an NTFS drive).
*Do not re-run Mark's script with a defective version of the KDE sfs loaded. (Use the Boot configuration to unload it). The reason is that if you have some conflicting libraries in there, the new compilation may mistakenly use them.
*Don't take shortcuts. When unloading the KDE dotpup from a failed version, DO shutdown and reboot as it suggests.

On my PIII with 750 mb ram, it takes about 5 minutes to run the script start to finish. (I spent a lot of time waiting on the script when it was actually hung up because of permission issues on the NTFS partition). The clue of a hangup is that the icon in the start bar for the processor will show that the processor is working like crazy. (This does not happen in a normal run of the script.) Also, the value in the "ram remaining" block may disappear; and lastly, the desktop will become unresponsive and parts of it disappear when you click on stuff.

I had a lot of problems tracking down the dependencies. Part of this was due to my mistakes in setting up Puppy before starting the script process. So, I ended up compiling in GLIB-C and QT-3.3.8. This resulted in a running version -- but I also discovered Semonkey was broken.

Trying to fix that, I created a version that resulted in a pup_save file that causes kernel panic on boot. I managed to do that TWICE. (Fortunately, I use a "working" version of the save file, so rescuing myself wasn't too painful.)

Apparently what I was doing was mixing two versions of qt and glibc. In addition, I ran the script with out the development sfs loaded, but with the (defective) kde sfs loaded. As a result, I was getting very strange versions. For instance, I had qt and glibc compiled into the kde sfs, but kde was still claiming it couldn't find glibc. (And then Seamonkey was claiming it couldn't find it either.)

I don't yet know whether the development sfs is necessary to actually RUN the kde sfs (haven't tried removing it yet); and I'm also not certain about the qt-3.3.6. (I can't remember why I installed it or whether it was for this project. Initially, I was running the script on a Puppy version without the qt-3.3.6 installed -- a more stripped-down version, but after I crashed it I started using a version I had updated more.

Kicker will run, but so far, it's a bit weird about efforts to configure it. The first time I got it running, it came up behind the jwm startbar. The second time I got it running it came up on the left margin. Every time I have attempted to move it so far, it grays out the entire desktop (but continues to function.)

BTW, you will see "Amarok" in my list of packages because that is something I wish to get working. BUT IT DOESN'T WORK in this install. (I imagine I have to add in the kdemultimedia package and/or some other things). K3B doesn't work either, although as you can see, I installed that package.

I haven't yet determined whether I am simply missing kde packages, or whether there are further dependencies that I need to include. According to the KDE website, these packages should have been sufficient for a "basic" install.

Programs will launch from Konqueror and Kicker. It's not clear to me with OpenOffice whether it is opening in a KDE window frame or a Gnome window frame. (I originally installed OpenOffice direct from OpenOffice.org and it was opening without any frame at all. I modified the soffice script to add the gnome windows, following a hint I found somewhere on this forum.)

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Sep 2007, 23:34    Post subject: kde 3.5.7
Subject description: further info
 

Rereading posts, I see that some of my problems could have been avoided if I had just read and/or understood Mark's posts better in the first place.

For instance, I see that his download that includes his script also includes qt-3.3.6. (I'm not certain why it seemed to be missing when in my earliest efforts, then. Also, I suppose I have it "twice" now, since I also have it loaded directly from one of the pup or pet downloads.) Mark also gave a list of the kde packages he used.

Shortly after my last post, I developed the following bizarre problem: The Pet Package Manager quit working. Clicking anywhere after the screen where you select the packages to load or remove appears would cause it to crash & so it was no longer possible to install or uninstall any programs.

I did a "roll back" to an earlier saved pup_save file and reloaded my kde sfs file.

I no longer have the problem with the package manager.

However, this is interesting -- as far as I know, I do not have the kde.pup file loaded that the script creates. I say, "as far as I know," because the pup file does not show as loaded in the pet package manager. But, I do see KDE entries in the JMW Menu system. So, I'm not certain what I actually saved as my "roll back" save file. (If this sounds confusing, you can't possibly be as confused reading this as I am after all the puppy save versions I have been through trying to make it work.)

One last puzzling thing. When I load kicker on a terminal screen, some of the prompts that displayed indicated that there were "plugins" that were incompatible with "qt-3.3.8" I'm not certain how this came about -- I did use that version earlier in my efforts, but as far as I know, the final compiling was done with qt-3.3.6.

If this sounds as though I have no idea what I am talking about, it is because ... um ... I have no idea what (nevermind).

BTW, in my earlier post, I said I wasn't sure whether it was necessary to run the devx217.sfs (development sfs, as I called it). I'm pretty certain it is not loaded and kicker and konqueror (filesystem) are working.

My next effort will be to see what happens when I add a few more kde packages to the install, but of course, then I have to recompile, which means lots of things will go wrong ...

Later, sports fans.

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Sep 2007, 19:51    Post subject: kde 3.5.7 from Slackware appears to conflict with Puppy 2.17  

Following up on my comments yesterday, I compiled a lot more of KDE into the sfs file & it is still letting me know that portions of KDE require qt-3.3.8.

KDE 3.5.7 notes indicate it will compile with any qt-3.3.3 or above, so I am guessing slackware 12 used qt-3.3.8.

As noted, when I compiled with qt-3.3.8, that required the current glibc, and that broke seamonkey. (Which I don't want to do, because I use the seamonkey html editor.)

Also, I had temporarily gotten the pet installer program to work again by using my kde.sfs file with a "roll-back" pup-save file. But, whatever I have done, it is not working again. So, I think there is some (additional) incompatibility between the slackware 12 version of kde 3.5.7 and puppy 2.17.1. (Just an FYI, not a complaint.)

Nevertheless, I'm pretty happy to have what I've got, because Konqueror filemanager is working also in ftp and fish mode, so I can make links to various locations (esp. my website) and keep them easily accessible from Konqueror in dual-pane mode. A simple command line smbmount command hooks up my Windows drives for viewing in Konqueror as well. (Makes me a very happy camper.)

Wallet works, too, so passwords save.

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Sep 2007, 19:12    Post subject: kde 3.5.4
Subject description: finally got much of it working
 

I am sorry to be having a dialog with myself here, but I am hopeful that sharing my attempts may assist someone else in the future. I am posting my sfs file at http://daltrey.org/linux/KDE355mini_217.sfs, should anyone wish to use it - it is 176 mb and includes Koffice and Firefox as well as most of the core KDE programs.

This file includes most of kde 3.5.4, which is the package in Slackware 11.0. According to the developer blog, apparently Puppy is based on, or at least more or less compatible with, Slackware 11.0. (Barry indicates Puppy is definitely not a slackware clone, though). As I noted in an earlier post, I could not get the kde packages from slackware 12.0 to work -- those are kde 3.5.7 and are compiled with qt 3.3.8 instead of 3.3.6.

Amarok, juK and K3b are not working. Amarok continues to ask for additional dependency libraries and I haven't tracked them all down yet. juK seems to want the same libraries. I can't seem to locate the K3b binary at all, don't know what the issue is there. Also, the KDE version of GIMP is not working.

However, a lot of other kde programs work, including the full install of KOffice.

I also included Firefox 2.0.0.6 in this package. Basically, I had installed it in Puppy directly, but I dragged the mozilla folder from "opt" to the "opt" being created in the squashfs file before compressing it. I'm not clear on Puppy's architecture, so I don't know what choices will maintain the highest level of execution speed while allowing the widest variety of software. I assume that until Puppy attempts to execute a program, it doesn't have much of a footprint. (Maybe I'm wrong, though). Anyway, so far, everything has executed very nicely, much faster than my Kubuntu install on the same computer.

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