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yr1945

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 12:58    Post subject:  New puppies are all the same  

yes, the apps and look may be different, but that's all.
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musher0

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 13:45    Post subject: Re: new puppies
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Hi yr1945.

You wrote:
yr1945 wrote:
yes, the apps and look may be different, but that's all.
Depends where you look.

Some Puppy devs continue to have an original approach:
-- josejp2424 with his DPupBuster(s):
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=118570

-- mistfire with his TazPup:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=113255

-- wiak with his FirstRib-WeeDog project:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116212

-- myself with research on other window managers: pekwm, wmx, etc.

-- surely others if you care to dig a little deeper.

Regards.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 16:16    Post subject:  

yr1945, you ARE aware that Puppy can be customized to suit your preferences and needs?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 16:48    Post subject:  

Released versions of Puppy are a known base operating system.
With fully working core Puppy programs.
Using small functional programs, to do just about anything you want to do.
That is an old program. Do not use it anymore, is not Puppy thinking!

Under the hood, a lot of stuff has changed, over the years.

It is up to you to modify Puppy, to how you want it.

Well, what do you think they should change to?

Do not like the look.
Change it. All kinds of eye candy you can add or change.

Do not like the programs.
Add what you like.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 17:00    Post subject:  

@ yr1945:-

Flash has come straight to the point (as usual! Laughing)

What, exactly, are you looking for in an OS? One of the things I've always loved about Puppy is its almost infinite capacity for customization.....limited, literally, by your imagination.

I confess, many of my Puppies have a similar kind of layout.....but that layout has been evolved over time to suit my workflow. Yes, I do occasionally get fed up with being in the same place, and that's when I boot into a different Puppy. However, everything has been set up in such a way that I can carry straight on with whatever I happen to be working on; just in different surroundings!

Like the old adage would have it; "A change is often as good as a rest".....

My current 'take' on Bionicpup64:-

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 18:47    Post subject: Re: New puppies are all the same  

yr1945 wrote:
yes, the apps and look may be different, but that's all.

If you're bored, read a book.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 19:16    Post subject:  

The purpose of an operating system is to provide a means to run software. We, Humans, recognize and organize visual sensations and primarily use our fingers and hands to alter the present reality. Once there's a 'system in place' with a sizeable user-base innovations tend to be incremental. The greater the change; the greater the learning curve; the lesser the number of users willing to take on that challenge just for the sake of something new.

So, this being Puppy, here's a project for you. Design a computer which --rather than generating images on a monitor-- emits odors; and a track-ball dogs can use to pawipulate an operating system generating, receiving, storing and transmitting information in that form.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 May 2020, 02:06    Post subject:  

Which version of Linux do you consider is "different" excluding "the apps and look" and in what way?

What difference do you want???

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enrique

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PostPosted: Sun 24 May 2020, 04:42    Post subject:  

Please do not change anything. I personally like as fewer changes as posible. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 24 May 2020, 11:17    Post subject: Re: New puppies are all the same  

yr1945 wrote:
yes, the apps and look may be different, but that's all.


Airplanes are all the same. The wings go out to the sides and not up and down.
Cars are all the same. The wheels are on the bottom.

There is a tendency for all good designs to trend towards being a lot like each other because there is a single maximum they are seeking.
Some things that we should expect as a result.

Fit's law will generally be followed meaning that there will be local menus etc.

Screens are wider than they are tall so the icons for drives will very often run across the screen to make room for many such icons.

People tend to read the upper left corner first so the icons will be put there mostly.

People what to word process, and use a spreadsheet and stuff like that so those tools will be included.

Sharing files over a network is useful so "pnethood" or something like it will be included.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 May 2020, 19:26    Post subject:  

Hi yr1945, I for one think you are (almost) absolutely right, so the others will probably stone me too! Laughing
The late Puppys are all built with woof-CE, so my feeling is that what base they use for the build, is more and more irrelevant. As you say, it looks more like separate cosmetic jobs.

But, there are still some exceptions: Very Happy
May I suggest that you take a look at Barry K's EasyOS and EasyPup?

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PostPosted: Sun 24 May 2020, 20:23    Post subject:  

EasyOS or Easypup are not Puppy Linux versions.

Barry K even tells you that;
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I guess that I can post this under the Puppy Derivatives category, coz it is a descendant/branch/fork of Puppy. Yet very different in some ways.

He does not use Woof-CE to make them.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 May 2020, 04:12    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
EasyOS or Easypup are not Puppy Linux versions.

Barry K even tells you that;
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I guess that I can post this under the Puppy Derivatives category, coz it is a descendant/branch/fork of Puppy. Yet very different in some ways.

He does not use Woof-CE to make them.


That's right, they are derivatives. EasyOS is built with WoofQ. WoofQ and Woof-CE forked from Woof2, in 2013 I think, and I developed Quirky Linux using WoofQ, which is a full-install only Linux.

Then retired Quirky and concentrated on EasyOS, another experiment, like Puppy in many way, but designed to support containers from the ground-up.

EasyPup is a very strange one. I took the Woof2/early-Woof-CE of around 2013/2014, mixed with some features from EasyOS. I put this mixing capability into WoofQ. So EasyPup is a mongrel, with some features of EasyOS sans-container-support, and in other ways like classical pups back in 2013/14.

So EasyPup cannot be considered an official pup, but a derivative.

I have some overview pages for these:

https://easyos.org/about/how-and-why-easyos-is-different.html

https://bkhome.org/linux/easypup-a-blend-of-classical-puppy-and-easyos.html

Both of these are to be considered as experimental. Version 2.3 should be out in a couple of days.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 May 2020, 17:14    Post subject:  

Ok, BarryK, I am sorry to have referred to them as Puppys, even if it was done in a positive way. Sad
But I think most will agree, that especially Easypup certainly look and feel like one! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 25 May 2020, 18:41    Post subject:  

Oh my God!

Thirteen butt-kicks (ahem, I meant replies) won't make him return anymore! Wink Laughing

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