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What are the oldest Puppy & DebianDog in the forrum?
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enrique

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 03:56    Post subject:  What are the oldest Puppy & DebianDog in the forrum?  

Puppy
I started my Puppy learning with lupu528
I was definitely impress how small, complete and fast the OS was.

At the moment I follow a few threads, I like the Quirky7-light.

I do not know what is the oldest REAL Puppy. I love to know and even have a copy for fun.


Debian-Dog
Well since I am looking into the oldest Puppys I then question my self how about debian-dogs. The oldest I have try is DebianDog Jessie. I was force to in order to develop my fglrx drivers.

But I wonder if any one can point me also to the oldest Debian-Dog on the forum.

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 04:13    Post subject:  

Hi enrique

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Debian-Dog
Well since I am looking into the oldest Puppys I then question my self how about debian-dogs. The oldest I have try is DebianDog Jessie. I was force to in order to develop my fglrx drivers.

But I wonder if any one can point me also to the oldest Debian-Dog on the forum.


Squeeze is the oldest:
https://github.com/DebianDog/Squeeze/releases/tag/v.1.0

EDIT And Wheezy after Squeeze, before Jessie:
https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/html/zz02debiandogwheezyother.html

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 04:41    Post subject:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Linux
https://archive.org/details/puppylinux
https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Series1
https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Legacy_Builds

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 05:21    Post subject:  

@ enrique:-

Nic's certainly pointed you to the very oldest Puppies. You can still download these, and burn them to an ISO. You may have issues getting them to run, unless on very elderly, period hardware. (They don't 'play nice' with very new hardware, AFAIK).

They certainly weren't built with Woof/WoofCE. I'm not even sure whether or not Barry was using the T2 build-scripts at that time; I think those came in circa series 2? I could be wrong, of course. I often am!

Even if you can get them to run, bear in mind that:-

a ) They don't use a save-file.
b ) The aufs 'union-layering' is quite primitive, compared to modern Puppies.
c ) There IS no PPM.
d ) They don't recognise .pet or SFS packages. The package format then was, I think, something called the .pup package instead. (I believe 'converters' exist, somewhere. Somebody will know.)
e ) Much of the currently automated 'background' stuff didn't even exist then, and where early versions perhaps did, they were largely manual in operation.

It's a wonderful history lesson in where Puppy's origins lie.....but don't expect them to behave like a modern Puppy. (Or Dog).

Because they won't.


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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 11:05    Post subject:  

This posting is from a machine running 528 with a huge list of things added.
For a while I was looking to move to Precise-lite but
1) I found that the printing to a Windows machine via cups wouldn't
2) The arrangement of icons put one of my drive icons on top of other
3) The "browser" thing didn't work
4) The help was helpless

Suddenly seamonkey started working for youtube again so I went back to what was all working perfectly for me.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 11:37    Post subject:  

I have 4.2 and 4.31 somewhere in my collection.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 19:51    Post subject:  

Wao. Nice Info. I am very grateful to ALL. Nice information.

I am going to see if I can make run some of them. I have an old Pentium laptop I hope it do the trick. If not I will see if I can make them run on quemu.

It is like looking into a very old Photo album. Something that I like to see.

And this provides a base. Using nic007 links I see:
cd-puppy.iso (View Contents) 07-Oct-2013 21:24 19.8M

Nice info.


Note:
Do not get me wrong. I have experience running Linux in less than 4MB. I do it using Openwrt. My servers run on 4 MB of ROM and 32MB RAM. The average router power consumption is 0.5W. The cost of my servers are around $20-$30. I have a few TL-WR703N.

https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n
https://github.com/SmartArduino/TL-WR703N

The most useful I did is to extend wifi from and Android NOT rooted and Create a Hot Spot via standard rdnis/Android USB connection.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 19:57    Post subject:  

Moose On The Loose wrote:
This posting is from a machine running 528 with a huge list of things added.
For a while I was looking to move to Precise-lite but
1) I found that the printing to a Windows machine via cups wouldn't
2) The arrangement of icons put one of my drive icons on top of other
3) The "browser" thing didn't work
4) The help was helpless

Suddenly seamonkey started working for youtube again so I went back to what was all working perfectly for me.


Lots of things have been removed and been tinkered with Precise Lite it seems. I use Precise 571 with Tahr 605 kernel and have only removed the old browser, libLLVM and the Radeon and Nouveau drivers from the original base sfs. Added some of Precise Lite's improvements so I can run a new browser, etc. Base sfs is only 82mb (max xz compression). I use this on a daily basis, runs like a greyhound possessed and does everything I need. Oldest Puppy I'm still using, is a customised Racy, 65mb in size, also running with Tahr 605 kernel. Almost as good.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 20:03    Post subject:  

Burn_IT wrote:
I have 4.2 and 4.31 somewhere in my collection.


I run 4.1.2 occasionally. First Puppy I used. Bit useless as far as internet browsing is concerned.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 20:25    Post subject:  

Interesting. That bring me to the next question. I guess I have to ask.

Ignoring Browsers issues. We all know new Browser requirements are to high. What is the oldest useful/working Puppy today?
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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 20:51    Post subject:  

enrique wrote:
Interesting. That bring me to the next question. I guess I have to ask.

Ignoring Browsers issues. We all know new Browser requirements are to high. What is the oldest useful/working Puppy today?

Difficult to say. Probably Wary or Racy if you want the capabilities of using a relatively recent internet browser as well with some tinkering (I mean, can't really have a proper pc experience without a useful internet browser). There is more room for expansion and upgrading (if you want to) using Precise 571 with newer kernel, etc. for example though.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2020, 22:48    Post subject:  

nic007 thanks

For any next answer. Please Ignore Browser or Social Media.

When I say working, meaning any desktop manager, run at least Gnumeric, Geany, Abiword. The Idea is that it can manage most general Linux task. Lets put it in another way. Oldest Puppy I can most likely boot and show it is useful to another linux user. Your response will be used it to test those oldies ahead.

I know for a Youtube fan or a Social media guy this is useless. Not to me. Thanks ahead.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 May 2020, 01:24    Post subject:  

Well, if you don't mind internet any old puppy can actually do if you have an old machine. As said, my first puppy was 412, so that's the oldest I have experience with. It's functional. There is actually an additional external site dedicated just for that puppy because people loved it so much. See - 412collection.neocities.org. There is no definite answer to your question. Best would be to try them and see for yourself.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 May 2020, 06:53    Post subject:  

I have mentioned here before I began with puppylinux 1.08rl
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PostPosted: Thu 28 May 2020, 09:33    Post subject: LegacyOS is worth exploring  

enrique wrote:
nic007 thanks

For any next answer. Please Ignore Browser or Social Media.


With that in mind, John Biles' Teenpup and its re-branding as LegacyOS are perhaps the most beautiful and application-rich Puppies ever published. You can find them here, https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacyoslinux/files/ and here, https://archive.org/search.php?query=Teenpup.

For a recent discussion, see, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1001852#1001852. Caution: my recollection is that they can NOT be run from Linux Ext4 partitions.

If you do decide to take on online despite the warning, the SSE version of Palemoon may work.
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