Firefox vs. Flash 9 Progress

[EdFromHouston]

Well Sit Heel Speak I found this about UTF8:

"The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) requires all Internet protocols to identify the encoding used for character data with UTF-8 as at least one supported encoding.[1] The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) recommends[1] that all email programs be able to display and create mail using UTF-8. Of all the major email clients, only Eudora does not support UTF-8."

This I found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF8

Also I found this page about how UTF8 is used in linux:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html

The section: How should the UTF-8 mode be activated? makes for a good read.

How about opening about:config and typing utf8 in the search bar and toggle the three commands containing utf8 to true:

network.standard-url.encode-utf8 true
network.standard-url.escape-utf8 true
prefs.converted-to-utf8 true ( this is java script I think)

Then set 'View' 'Character Encoding' 'Unicode (UTF8)

It seems this wont hurt your e-mail program but it might not allow certain text to be displayed like characters mainly from S.E.Asia. It should display non-latin text fine like English and Polish.

Then set it to UTF8 in the profile folder.

I would think it is set to local because Puppy is used by a lot of people in S.E.Asia that don't use UTF8 yet.

Please correct me if I'm wrong because I may very well be.

Also if you want to post a link to the videos giving you problems I would like to see if I can play them on this machine.

Ed

[EdFromHouston]

I just found the official Flash 9 system requirements: 512mb ram, 800mb processor, Red Hat or Novell only supported. I'm sure this may be causing problems as well especially with Puppy.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplay ... ystemreqs/

[Sit Heel Speak]

I wish I could help...

Yes, well, getting Firefox to not crash on Flash video is a big step forward!--although I haven't tried Muppy 007 or plinej's 2.13-multimedia-v03.iso Puppies as Firefox multimedia platforms yet...I have a P3-1GHz CPU and 1GB of RAM.

[Sit Heel Speak]

network.standard-url.encode-utf8 was set false, toggled to true.
network.standard-url.escape-utf8 was already set true.
prefs.converted-to-utf8 was already set true.

I went ahead and added "export G_FILENAME_ENCODING=UTF-8" to the firefox start script. The rxvt window from which firefox starts no longer shows the warning message.

Youtube.com - category Comedy:

Help Wanted...no, although it worked ~12 hours ago.
why i got fired from apple computer: high resolution 6:43 version...no
Re: why i got fired from apple...2:12 works.

Settings in Adobe Flash Player:
Global Storage...100KB, allow third party is unchecked.
Global Security...always ask.

Nominal 512 kbps connection (real-world 380-400 kbps)

No hurry. Past my bedtime here...

[Sit Heel Speak]

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[Sit Heel Speak]

Over the last few hours I've tried

MU's Muppy 007
plinej's puppy-multimedia-v02 (couldn't find v03)
tempestuous's puppy 2.02-regression

...with and without every combination of upgraded Firefox and Flash 7/9 and mozplugger and mplayerplugin ever offered as dotpups. On a P3-1GHz system with 1GB of RAM, as frugal installs with fresh pup_saves.

Puppy 2.13 with Firefox 2.0.0.1 (it offers to self-upgrade to 2.0.0.2 as soon as you open the Web) and the Flash-9 player et cetera as described in this thread by EdfromHouston, is the champion of all of them. It still doesn't play every YouTube video for me, but I feel that I'm well on the way to figuring out how.

Has anyone found any better combination?

Next thing I must do, is test Gentoo and see how it fares...tomorrow...

Also, I will try a fresh, virgin install of 2.13 with Ed's instructions. Perhaps something I added earlier is preventing me from 100% success.

Puppy, if it is to compete with Vista, or for that matter with any other Linux, simply must play YouTube videos and other Flash straight from the live-CD.

[John Doe]

Puppy, if it is to compete with Vista, or for that matter with any other Linux, simply must play YouTube videos and other Flash straight from the live-CD.

I just booted 2.14 livecd and have no problem seeing or hearing this with mozilla and flash 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2F_hGwD26g

Just to clarify, can you see and hear that?

Sorry if I missed something, just jumped into the thread. I'm all for an upgrade to flash 9.

[EdFromHouston]

network.standard-url.encode-utf8 was set false, toggled to true.
network.standard-url.escape-utf8 was already set true.
prefs.converted-to-utf8 was already set true.

I went ahead and added "export G_FILENAME_ENCODING=UTF-8" to the firefox start script. The rxvt window from which firefox starts no longer shows the warning message.

Youtube.com - category Comedy:

Help Wanted...no, although it worked ~12 hours ago.
why i got fired from apple computer: high resolution 6:43 version...no
Re: why i got fired from apple...2:12 works.

Settings in Adobe Flash Player:
Global Storage...100KB, allow third party is unchecked.
Global Security...always ask.

Nominal 512 kbps connection (real-world 380-400 kbps)

No hurry. Past my bedtime here...

OK, I played the videos you showed me above and they played normally on my PC. So what is different between your system and mine? Let's see. BTW, I found this page tells a lot about the browser settings:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:co ... Plugin..2A

I have network prefetching off in about:config because it sucks bandwidth and I don't need my computer trying to tell me which site I'm visiting next: network.prefetch-next default is on.

I have that phishing filter turned off. It's on by default.

I have pipelining enabled. This is a good thing for me because I'm on 56K dialup. Is it good for you on broadband? Read this:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.pipelining
It could very well be YouTube doesn't like pipelining because it is so popular. Or maybe pipelining doesn't get along with your broadband provider or your DNS that well. You may want to try www.opendns.com if you can.

Of course a difference is I have dialup, copper.net.

I did find this:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.connect.timeout
It is talked about and mozillas getting rid of it is put down by everyone as being a main reason why they timeout on a lot of the pages they visit. I don't know if this concerns you or not but I can't see what harm it will do to try it.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.connect.timeout
I find comment #8 quite interesting talking about it. It's known as bug 142326:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142326

I see is you have your Global Security set to always ask. Well so do I but I think this controls how flash receives info from other web sites and I think this was set up to deny as default starting with flash 8, (or maybe not I can't remember). This is when the flash player started giving problems like those you are having. I take it flash 7 is stable for you. You may want to play with that setting as well.

Also try setting your display to 24 instead of 16 if it isn't already.

I read somewhere where someone suggested uncommenting compositeport in Xorg.config would help. I don't know what this is other that it has to do with the video, maybe you will.

This is all I can think of.
Good luck.

[EdFromHouston]

Also as far as the Video Downloader extension for Firefox goes I found three good links.

This talks about problems with Flock:
http://www.flock.com/forums/support/vid ... ion-issues

Here is a good one that was just updated on the 12th and it talks about downloading YouTube. Very nice site:
http://www.methodshop.com/gadgets/tutorials/youtuberip/

This is the Video Downloader back door site:
http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php

That's all, off to a call.

[EdFromHouston]

OK, I had the same results using my sisters PC, a 6 year old box with 288mb ram so the minimum requirements of 512 mb for flash 9 don't hold here after watching about 40 sites..

I have yet to test my laptop but it should work as far as the crashing goes even though it only has 64mb..

I noticed that with the new Puppy 2.15CE someone said to include the mozilla directory in the system path so flash 9 would work. Is this the same thing I suggest with the extra symlink? If so should I continue with this? I really don't know because I'm not a programmer but I'm just trying to help.

BTW, Sit Heal Speak, how did it work out for you on Gentoo?

Have a good night, I'm on call so I will be busy.

Ed

[Sit Heel Speak]

I decided to try your techniques initially on the two newest Puppy Firefox distros, Puppy 2.15CE-Office-Alpha and Rudy-Puppy-based-on-2.14. These are large downloads and I over the last 48 hours have suffered breaks in service from my DSL provider. Then, I couldn't make wget resume the partial downloads through my local proxy server even though I've done this before. I don't know whether there is some new fault in wget or if I am simply forgetting to do something. HTTP proxy is set correctly in /etc/wgetrc so I don't know what the problem is. I have now moved the two partial downloads to a different machine which goes to the Internet through a DHCP server rather than having its own static IP through a non-DHCP proxy, and wget has now resumed the downloads, which should be finished when I wake up about 8 hours from now. So I'll try it tomorrow night, say 16 hours from now. I haven't tried it on Gentoo yet. Diagnosing this wget problem ate what little time I had. I will keep you advised. Tonight I attended my local Linux user group meeting, chaired by Joel Carlson (Puppy user fox7777), and Joel reports that Puppy 2.15CE (non-Office Alpha version) has no problems playing Flash on his machine.

[debernardis]

Flash 9 plus firefox 2.0.0.2 in the latest rudypuppy seems not to crash too often say once a day by now. Machine: Centrino 1600 MHz, 512 Megs RAM 512 Megs swap (compaq nc4010).

[WhoDo]

Tonight I attended my local Linux user group meeting, chaired by Joel Carlson (Puppy user fox7777), and Joel reports that Puppy 2.15CE (non-Office Alpha version) has no problems playing Flash on his machine.

Puppy 2.15CE Standard Edition Alpha shipped with Flash 7 pre-installed in Firefox as a compromise to avoid the bulk of Flash problems. Going to http://www.disneyworld.com will establish that because that site won't accept anything less than Flash 9.

That said, Puppy 2.15CE Standard and Office Edition Beta will ship with Flash 9 and the Mozilla patches that make it work without crashing.

[WhoDo]

Flash 9 plus firefox 2.0.0.2 in the latest rudypuppy seems not to crash too often say once a day by now. Machine: Centrino 1600 MHz, 512 Megs RAM 512 Megs swap (compaq nc4010).

My guess is that the 2.0.0.2 security patch update fixed some of the bugs, but not all. Only the desertpuppy, Ed from Houston, MU patched startup code resolves everything. I haven't had a crash since in either Firefox 2.0.0.2 or Swiftfox 2.0.0.2.

Hope that helps.

[Sit Heel Speak]

7AM in the morning here. Rudy Puppy 2.14 came through OK, but 2.15CE shows a bad md5sum. I don't know any way to fix it, so presume I must start over.

@WhoDo: I know of both EdfromHouston (of course) and DesertPuppy's tweaks, but which modifications from MU do you refer to?

(***UPDATE: Ach. I figured out what the problem was with wget. I just sent the below message to Mauro Tortonesi, maintainer of wget:)

Hello from snowy Seattle,

In Puppy Linux, last August, I was instructed by a guru that, to make wget work through a local proxy server, I should create a hidden configuration file, /root/.wgetrc with contents:

https_proxy = 192.168.1.11:8080
http_proxy = 192.168.1.11:8080
ftp_proxy = 192.168.1.11:21

I did so and it worked OK. Months later, I changed the http port of my proxy to 81. Also, meanwhile in newer versions of Puppy Linux a "standard" configuration file for wget was added, /etc/wgetrc.

I modified the standard configuration file, /etc/wgetrc, to include my current proxy information:

https_proxy = 192.168.1.11:81
http_proxy = 192.168.1.11:81
ftp_proxy = 192.168.1.11:21

...however, I forgot about the earlier configuration file /root/.wgetrc.

A problem arose yesterday when I tried to wget a file. The original wget showed

Connecting to 192.168.1.11:81... connected.

...but then my Internet Service Provider had a problem and the connection broke.

So, I tried to "wget --continue" the download.

This once again showed

Connecting to 192.168.1.11:81... connected.

...but then only about 4 kilobytes of the continued download came through before it halted.

I discovered this morning that "wget --continue" is _showing_ the Port 81 specified in /etc/wgetrc but is _obeying_ the Port 8080 specified in /root/.wgetrc !!!

So it seems that "wget --continue" is not obeying the same configuration file as plain "wget" !!!

[MU]

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=15772
Mark

[Bill_Gates]

Hi, I'm new here! I've been watching this thread for a while now.

Flash 9 plus firefox 2.0.0.2 in the latest rudypuppy seems not to crash too often say once a day by now. Machine: Centrino 1600 MHz, 512 Megs RAM 512 Megs swap (compaq nc4010).

I had the opposite experience. I had firefox 2.0.0.1 plus the Flash 9.pup and my system seemed stable. But after upgrading to 2.0.0.2 firefox crashes constantly.

[EdFromHouston]

Still no problems with flash 9. I'm now testing the laptop. It's really slow but it's stable.

I just came back from a trip to the dark side. About last November I made the mistake of installing Ubuntu Edgy all 698 mb of it thinking it would be easy to use based on all the hype. Boy was I struck down when I couldn't even get my modem to work. It's been sitting idle on my hard drive and I tried to play with it today for the first time in months. What a mistake that was. I'll never stray from Puppy again. I think I'll install 2.15CE over it when it comes out. Ubuntu just isn't for me.

[debernardis]

Unfortunately my firefox 2.0.0.2 plus flash 9 seems to degradate day by day. Initially I had no crashes, then once a day, then now they are too frequent to be bearable. What is going to accumulate? Is it the cache? I tried to erase everything, cache, passwords, cookies and so on... I'll report my results.

[jonyo]

Hey Bill G. How ya like puppy? Bet your blown away that with so little, one can do so much? How 'bout the speed!