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Puppy 2.15CE Look and Feel: Taking it to the next level...

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 02:09
by WhoDo
I am considering these icons for Puppy 2.15CE Office edition. Any comments?

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I will upload a test package to the PSI repos for mirroring.

Cheers

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 03:37
by Previously known as Guest
Verry cool & different. :) Office version only? Would love to check therm out.

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 03:43
by jason.b.c
Wow WhoDo ..1 Seriously awesome icons...GOOD JOB..!

Where do i download them..?

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 03:47
by mbutts
nice frosted glass icons. theme seems to include all the important programs. rich looking.

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 04:30
by WhoDo
jason.b.c wrote:Wow WhoDo ..1 Seriously awesome icons...GOOD JOB..!

Where do i download them..?
Whoa, there Jason. I didn't create them. Mike Muschini aka Gryphen from the PCLinuxOS forum created them. Here is the license detail.

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I have uploaded the package to our mirror, and MU will include them when he can, but if you want to grab them sooner they are at http://www.kde-look.org.

If they spark enough interest, I'll approach Mike to create some specifically for Puppy to include with 2.15CE - but only if enough people in the community want that.

Cheers.

Re: Puppy 2.15CE Look and Feel: Taking it to the next level...

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 08:48
by TonshA
WhoDo wrote:I am considering these icons for Puppy 2.15CE Office edition. Any comments?
erm.... is "WOW!!" a comment? How about "AMAZING!!" ??

These are VERY impressive.

I sometimes get the feeling that reviewers tend to disregard Puppy because it looks a bit 'old fashioned/retro' or 'unpolished' or (heaven forbid) 'unfinished'. Of course, some people like the standard look, but 'some' is not 'most'.

With the kind of desktop experience we (and mainly you, WhoDo) are putting together for 2.15CE, I think people are going to sit up and take notice!

(It makes me feel humble anyway)

We are not worthy... :lol:

DaveA

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 09:16
by Lobster
:D My advice is whatever the objections, go with this.
This is the Wow factor. Puppy thanks to so much great effort works fast. Now it can look the way it is . . .

Woof woof

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 20:36
by Pizzasgood
Be careful about making them too big though. It can get crowded at lower resolutions.

Personally, I've always preferred colorful things to gray, but that's me, and leads me to do stuff like the old test-pattern splash screen Puppy used to have, which may have caused retinal damage to several people. :oops:

They do look pretty slick though, and they help the wallpaper show through (which compensates for their lack of color).

Thumbs up from me :)

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 23:33
by MU
http://puppyfiles.org/dotpupsde/dotpups ... _icons.pup

please send me a PM when you uploaded files, or I might oversee them :) .
We have so many messages in the forum, that I can't read each one any more :roll:

Mark

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 23:50
by WhoDo
Pizzasgood wrote:Personally, I've always preferred colorful things to gray, but that's me, ...[snip]

They do look pretty slick though, and they help the wallpaper show through (which compensates for their lack of color).
The ones I really like do incorporate color. Check out the firefox icon with a frosted firefox wrapped around a blue globe. If everyone likes them, and the feedback is pretty positive so far, I'll ask Gryphen if he can do a few especially for Puppy.

The clear ones would allow a change in theme, including wallpaper, without needing to adapt desktop icons to match. That was my thinking on them originally.

Cheers

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 23:52
by WhoDo
MU wrote:please send me a PM when you uploaded files, or I might oversee them :) .
We have so many messages in the forum, that I can't read each one any more :roll:
No problems, Mark. I just thought you might occasionally be scanning the ftp uploads at your leisure, but I'll PM next time, no problem.

Thanks for providing the link in this thread.

Cheers

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 23:53
by MU
they really look great.
I prefer them to all those modern Windows icon clones :)

Yes, such a firefox-icon would look great I think.

Mark

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 23:55
by MU
No, I don't control /incoming at puppyfiles.org, only puppyisos.org.

It really gets time I finish the webinterface to upload on your own.

Maybe this weekend.
Mark

Re: Puppy 2.15CE Look and Feel: Taking it to the next level.

Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 23:55
by WhoDo
TonshA wrote:erm.... is "WOW!!" a comment? How about "AMAZING!!" ??

These are VERY impressive.

I sometimes get the feeling that reviewers tend to disregard Puppy because it looks a bit 'old fashioned/retro' or 'unpolished' or (heaven forbid) 'unfinished'. Of course, some people like the standard look, but 'some' is not 'most'.

With the kind of desktop experience we (and mainly you, WhoDo) are putting together for 2.15CE, I think people are going to sit up and take notice!
That's what I'm aiming for, Dave. Coming from you the reaction shows me that we're definitely on the right track for look-and-feel issues. Thanks, mate.

Cheers

Posted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 00:27
by jason.b.c
Um Ok , Woah...!

Serious Snafu here...!

Ok , I've downloaded all the these icon's from www.kdelook.org , Now try to stay with me here.., In that picture in the first post that WhoDo posted - The icons look great..! , I mean awesome.! , But when i downloaded and extracted them - And tried to use them to replace some of my current icons - they look absolutely Horrible..!

You can't see half of them and the one's you can see you can't make out fully...

Example - When i apply the "Firefox1.png" icon to my desktop it is:

(1) - Way too small to make out what it is and that it is a "Fox" wrapped around an earth globe..

(2) - the reason why the icons look the way they do is because all the color has been removed from them , Not because they've been "Glassed" or "Frosted"..

i applied a darker background on my desktop and the icons don't show up much at all at that point...

In that picture the icons look good , yea , But notice how larger they are..?

Did anyone else notice any of this..??? Sorry for sounding so negative...

Posted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 03:03
by WhoDo
jason.b.c wrote:In that picture in the first post that WhoDo posted - The icons look great..! , I mean awesome.! , But when i downloaded and extracted them - And tried to use them to replace some of my current icons - they look absolutely Horrible..!
Not negative, just disappointed I'd say. Here are a couple of screenshots I put together to show how the icons will look in their real life application. I know exactly what you're talking about, and I too was disappointed in some of the icons.

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The icons here are 48x48, so they're not really small. Screen resolution is 1024x768 - not really very high - and the two backgrounds are in Beta1 by default.

Any other comments?

Posted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 03:44
by Pizzasgood
Use the other gnumeric icon (the one without the blue thing in the grid) for the calender, it fits the part more. Also, make sure you load up Gimp and edit out the "PCLinux" bits from the "Computer" and "Console" icons.

Otherwise, it looks great. Even better than the fast job I did a couple minutes ago when trying them out.

BTW, is that just a personal WhoDo setting where you have the window-decorations enabled on Xmms? As in the release version won't have it enabled? I know the beta didn't.

Posted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 04:20
by WhoDo
Pizzasgood wrote:BTW, is that just a personal WhoDo setting where you have the window-decorations enabled on Xmms? As in the release version won't have it enabled? I know the beta didn't.
On a different machine to the one where I prepared the beta. This machine is shared with someone else, and I guess he fiddles with settings or something. Frankly, I just didn't notice.

Thanks for the heads up anyway, mate.

Cheers

Posted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 09:27
by puppyfan12
Very very impressive look to those screenshots WhoDo! Kudos for putting them together.

If going with the white icons, please read this post re: firefox / thunderbird licensing and the logo usage.

What if we took the firefox source and compiled our own build called "puppy browser" and kept the version numbers in sync with the official firefox binary releases, just like ice weasel? We could also do the same with Thunderbird or Pupmail or whatever we wanted to call it...

Woof woof

Posted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 12:49
by Lobster
These icons represent something central to the Puppy ideology. That is quite subtle. They have cut out the 'eye candy' of colour. Yet they are still eye candy.

Most of the existing icons are a bit from here a bit from there. These are a set.

A black white and grey theme is possible. Tweaking a design is easy for end users and is likely the first thing to try after or whilst testing programs. As far as I am concerned PCLinuxOS is the best looking Linux and as these came from there I feel confident.

I would suggest far greater priorities (after an alpha and beta release) are which WM and browser are being used? The windows or Firefox icons are easy to resolve once we have a stable feature set.

It is up to Warren based on advisement and prevailing preferences and his best judgement to decide on the direction and Vizion Viz is implementing :)

Is that possible?