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First impressions from a Win-user point of view.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 00:31    Post_subject:  

If a couple of lines of text annoy people as the machine boots and they turn away, they obiviously can't see past their own noses and maybe they should just go elsewhere....So it don't look pretty when it boots.......Least you only have to boot once per session and not have to worry about the Blue Screen Of Death which the term isn't even acknowledged by MS on their help site....

How many times do you have to reboot linux to install and use a new driver..


NEVER


If you want the functionality of windows (I say this with my tongue firmly in cheek) and can't be bothered to learn something new...well you know where the door is.....I bet learning windows wasn't easy to begin with was it ??????

Look Puppy is different to most LINUX distributions and by mimicking MS windows would do nothing that others haven't tried before.....

Get over they differences and just think about how much quicker and stable Puppy is
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 00:32    Post_subject:  

Ay Chiwawa - woof woof (or "yes" "done")

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Sirexel

Joined: 08 Aug 2005
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Location: Spain

PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 03:07    Post_subject: First and last Win vs Linux debate.  

bladehunter wrote:
If a couple of lines of text annoy people as the machine boots and they turn away, they obiviously can't see past their own noses and maybe they should just go elsewhere....


Don't get angry, man.

I'm not searching for a free windows. (I don't need that since I have yet Windows) I want (I would like) a simple, easy, powerful OS.
I have not dedicated my life to defending Win nor I think to do that with Linux.

Computers are tools. Just tools to do what you need. Nothing a kind of way of live. The live is just in front of the screen, not inside.

So once and for all, forget this kind of Win vs Linux debate because I'm not WinMan.

Sorry for my roughness but I'm just trying to make something clear.

I have no problem to look inside any OS and say what is good or what is bad and finally take the OS I feel better. I think that makes me more free than people who just use free OS.

It's a kind of a cause, I know, I respect it, I take profit of it (as per Puppy), and in several ways I admire it.

Puppy is not (I feel that from my readings through the web page and wiki)about to be on the Linux boat or out. Puppy is Puppy and I would like to put a runing Puppy in a friend PC without to have to explain to him a word about Liunx, boots, configuration or tutorials. Just Puppy and run.

Finally for those thinking all may ideas are just drawn from Windows have a look on the thread dooppoop linked a few mesages up and read.

Going in a more productive focus, you have forget the questions:
What you need all that info in the screen for if it is supposed you must do nothing with it?

Quote:
Get over they differences and just think about how much quicker and stable Puppy is


I realize on that and I can see too its potential.
Because of that I'm here writing to search for info (or projects) where my goal fits.

A kind of EasyPuppy. The problem is, at the moment, I believe that the goal of Puppy is to be easy and then an EasyPuppy release has not sense. But anyway I will continue in the general Puppy boat, or in other-flavor Puppy. That is simple 'problem' by now (not to start a flame).

Sirexel Smile

A little disclaimer.- I'm a spaniard, so english is not my mother tongue. I'm very experienced with mailing list and I know very well what I don't want to be. I respect 100% the interest of this Forum. I'm not trying to impose my true (I don't know the true). Just want to be helpful and kind.
If my words are too much hard is due to my lack of skill with english.
I have no problem to present my excuses whoever can feel outrage for my words.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 03:48    Post_subject:  

Not angry man...just not real good at being diplomatic...what you have to consider too is that Puppy has only been in development for 2 years or so where as alot of distros have years on Puppy.....And unlike many other Live Distros Barry more or less started from scratch....

But when you think about it Windows requires user input to get networks up and running and constant reboots for the slightest change.......well upto NT5 based windows.

An operator has knows his tool better will always be more effecient than one that does not.

For anything to try to be all things to all peoples will never be much to anyone.

Don't mind me I'm just like a bull in a china shop Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 08:11    Post_subject:  

From my own personal point of view, here's how I see it


Booting Windows:

Turn on Computer, turn on Kettle.
Splash screen appears and windows begins loading.
Make a coffee.
Come back, desktop loaded but hard drive still clattering away for a good while.
Drink coffee until computer has decided that it's ready for me.

Booting Puppy.

Turn on Computer, turn on Kettle.
Splash screen appears and Puppy begins loading.
Make a coffee.
Use the computer .

If the boot in windows develops a problem, the screen just sits there with it's pretty picture on it.......no clues at all really.
If the boot in Puppy develops a problem, I can read exactly where it gets up to before it hangs, then find out why and sort it out.

Either way though, I don't think that all this discussion on the boot up screen has any relevance to me as I'm always in the kitchen making a coffee anyway Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 12:44    Post_subject:  

uhu? I got lost.

When did this thread turned in a Windows V.S Linux thread?

I thought it was about Current Puppy towards a better Puppy.

Every person will have personal ideas of how to improve Puppy. Those ideas may certainly come from previous experiences, that's how knowledge advances.

So, let's listen to the ideas and let Barry decide which ones he likes for Puppy and what each unleasher likes for they personal flavour.

Can we move on?
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Splash screen appears and Puppy begins loading.
Make a coffee.
Use the computer .

Woow, rick you really have a fast kettle. Or maybe when booting puppy you settle for instant coffe?
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Flash
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 16:31    Post_subject:  

rarsa wrote:
uhu? I got lost.

When did this thread turned in a Windows vs. Linux thread?
Um, the subject line of the first post? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 16:59    Post_subject:  

Flash wrote:
Um, the subject line of the first post?

Which, as far as I can tell, refers to his past experience, not to a comparison of Operating Systems. Laughing

rarsa wrote:
Every person will have personal ideas of how to improve Puppy. Those ideas may certainly come from previous experiences


Imagine brand A of cars having ABS breaks, and a customer asking car B manufacturer: Why can't you have them too? and receiving a response we are not going to implement ABS breaks because that's a car B thing, and we want to differentiate ourselves from them.

I only read good suggestions. If it's a good suggestion, who cares where it came from.

So personal ideas may differ greatelly from what you and I prefer. That's just the nature of things.

What I like from linux is choice. Options only exist because people have preferences and they (we) have either implemented them or asked the developers to implement them.

Makes sense?
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Aug 2005, 17:09    Post_subject:  

Good points there... I to enjoy being able to make my desktop look and act and feel pretty much however I wish... Very Happy

There's a fine line though between giving someone the choice to modify their desktop and dumbing them down. Currently, with Puppy, we boot into FVWM by default, because that's Barry's preference. At least we have the ability to change that without much hassle at all.

I agree that there are some great suggestions being made here... I guess it comes down to what direction Puppy is going to take, right? Is the only way to attract new users is to look and act and feel just like Windoes? No, I was attracted to Puppy without a trash can or anything else.

Again, everyones differrent , and everyones opinions are valid and interesting.
Just remember, that all these suggestions are quite easy to implement personally, and then one could remaster the CD and there you go.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2005, 01:24    Post_subject:  

You are all right in what you are saying, Windows is not Puppy and with a little effort almost anyone can have their own custom version of Puppy.

For the people who want that out-of-the-box solution there is the main release of Puppy, the other versions created by Barry and others are there to be tested and used by anyone who cares to tinker with them.

All this input including this post does go towards improving and refining Puppy so lets keep the discussions rolling, remember any debate always raises points that some people might never have considered.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2005, 02:10    Post_subject:  

Hey, you know that cute Puppy that we get to admire for about 5 seconds if we boot off of the live CD? How hard would it be to load the boot messages on top of the picture? I think that would look really nice. That way we could still see the messages, yet have something pretty to look at in the meantime.

Boot messages don't bother me much with Puppy, as they only seem to last for about 10-14 seconds when I have it installed to hard drive. Not freakin' bad. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2005, 15:29    Post_subject:  

Ian wrote:
For the people who want that out-of-the-box solution there is the main release of Puppy, the other versions created by Barry and others are there to be tested and used by anyone who cares to tinker with them.
But there seems to be no mechanism for feedback, other than this forum perhaps.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2005, 16:39    Post_subject:  

Quote:
When did this thread turned in a Windows V.S Linux thread?


Sooner or later, it always happens.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2005, 18:44    Post_subject: Correct spelling  

Quote:
Ay Chiwawa - woof woof (or "yes" "done")


I think this was supposed to be

Ay Chihuahua......no?

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2005, 18:49    Post_subject:  

[quote
Quote:
Ay Chiwawa - woof woof (or "yes" "done")


I think this was supposed to be

Ay Chihuahua......no? [/quote]

Or maybe even "Hay Chihuahua"?

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