KDE 3.5.7 SFS file

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alienjeff · #31 Post by **alienjeff** » Sun 25 Nov 2007, 22:49

Out of morbid curiosity more than anything else, I'm wondering what the comparative boot times (from Grub boot selection-to-functional desktop) are for JWM vs KDE on a modern and legacy boxes of varying RAM configurations. For a point of reference, I've tweaked my initialization files to get this time down to 25-seconds (from a "stock" 35-seconds) with JWM in Puppy v2.12 full HD installation on a 600-MHz Celeron with 256M of RAM.

As much as I appreciate the standardization and cohesiveness of KDE, a mere fleeting glimpse of the DE makes me shudder in revulsion, as it's all too reminiscent of my year running Knoppix ... just couldn't seem to wrap my arms around it. The distro itself is wonderfully feature-rich, but I found the online community impersonal, emotionless and drone-like.

kirk · #32 Post by **kirk** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 04:02

ejazjv,

Sorry, I really have no idea. Unionfs does seem to post a lot of messages in dmesg, but most seem to be benign. You probably should try making it work with the standard puppy. Maybe you can find some instructions on the web on how to make it work without udev. (using mknod to make the nodes for the device if needed)

Aj,

It's certainly slower with KDE. Slower still with the second one I posted. Slack 12's KDE requires Hal, Dbus, udev, and a few other services to work correctly. These sfs are experimental. The second sfs file that has hal & udev really should be part of a complete remake of puppy instead of a sfs file. I don't use KDE my self, but someone who has the interest, could make a version of puppy 3 with KDE that works pretty well.

The Slackware developers didn't have small and efficient on their minds when they built slack12. Lots of (needless?) dependencies. Glad to see the move back to T2.

#33 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 09:23

I installed this KDE sfs and started KDE.
One of the first things I noticed is, that in Konqueror I can't mount hda1 which is a ntfs partition. See picture.
I mounted it with pmount and then it worked.

I thought in Konqueror clicking on a storage media, which isn't mounted dick mount it automatically. Correct?

#34 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 09:48

There are two programs I found interesting when I tried KDE quite some time ago now.
- Krusader (two pane file browser)
- Ksnapshot.

Did you look into these to be added in the future?

kirk · #35 Post by **kirk** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 16:01

I thought in Konqueror clicking on a storage media, which isn't mounted dick mount it automatically. Correct?

Yes in the second SFS file I posted it should, but it seems to be unstable. That error message usually means one of the services didn't start up. The first kde sfs file doesn't support mounting at all. So I put Pmount on the desktop. I'm going to edit the first post and mark the second sfs file as unstable it really should be part of a puplet.

#36 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 17:48

The second is the KDE357j.sfs, right?
That's the one I downloaded.

As for Krusader, Ksnapshot and eventually Knode, do you have plans?

kirk · #37 Post by **kirk** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 22:33

The second is the KDE357j.sfs, right?

Yes. Again it seems unstable. Sometimes I can make a pup_save file and use KDE357j.sfs and all works well reboot after reboot other times you'll get the message you posted. I ran into several Unionfs bugs that I tried to work around. But perhaps there's more. When I posted KDE357j.sfs I had a pup_save that was working well with it. Since then I've had the problem you saw. Probably should not have posted it. But perhaps someone can use it as part of a kde puplet.

As for Krusader, Ksnapshot and eventually Knode, do you have plans?

No, I've taken it as far as I'm going to. Gslapt may get those for you.

#38 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Mon 26 Nov 2007, 22:46

Ok, I'll try the KDE357.sfs and see how it goes.
Having discovered other problems as well, I'll see if those are also in this one before reporting more.

richard.a · #39 Post by **richard.a** » Tue 27 Nov 2007, 03:22

alienjeff wrote:The distro itself is wonderfully feature-rich, but I found the online community impersonal, emotionless and drone-like.

Jeff, this reminds me of many other so-called "communities".

<rant>
One that frustrated me no end - and which I've abandoned - and its product - is the Free version of AVG anti-virus for Windows. I have need to run Win2000 on several machines on my LAN as an option.

They were absolutely no help over an update that turned the the product into a rogue elephant stomping around deleting plain html files and uninfected executables even on machines that don't actually go on-line, effective 31st October this year. It even said I had an infection that wasn't listed in their glossary!!

That upgrade, separately downloaded four different times to four different machines, had the same effect everywhere. And all they could do was bleat I'd posted in the wrong section of the forum.

Unbelievable

</rant>

richard.a · #40 Post by **richard.a** » Tue 27 Nov 2007, 03:25

Béèm wrote:I thought in Konqueror clicking on a storage media, which isn't mounted dick mount it automatically. Correct?

That's been my experience, in both Linux and BSD-Unix, with KDE.

Richard in Oz

ejazjv · #41 Post by **ejazjv** » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 20:41

kirk
after make rules file in udev my modem atached to /dev/ttyusb0 pupdial good /dev/ttyusb0 found if i prob in pupdial same massage but if i dial error massage is pppd error=16
any one help mark or kirk
thanks
ejazjv

ejazjv · #42 Post by **ejazjv** » Sun 23 Dec 2007, 14:42

finaly i connect internet with my etc2551 huawei cdma phone modem i change my pap & chap secret files both change with my pclinux os files and peer file also
thanks again not many words because my english is week
thanks again
kirk , mu,

ejazjv · #43 Post by **ejazjv** » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 23:12

one more question kde load vary slow 4 to 5 minutes my system is 300 p2 160mb ram
ejazjv

bobwrit · #44 Post by **bobwrit** » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 00:52

KDE is large and thus slower so it will take some more time to boot.

over_soul · #45 Post by **over_soul** » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 15:58

KDE for puppy is great idea! (it's much easier to get around to if you are a former windows user). I downloaded it (I'm using puppy on a virtual machine - currently - Puppy 4.3.0), placed it in /mnt/home/root directory and renamed it to "kde357_301.sfs" and rebooted my VM. Than exited to prompt and typed "xwin start kde" - and nothing happened.... It just didn't loaded - it showed me the start screen (with the little black X in the middle) and than returned me to prompt.... Any ideas why? (if that helps - on my VM grub doesn't load, so I use xversa)
If someone can tell me how to install it correctly, I'll appreciate it

Important P.S.
My puppy uses full install on HDD

Jim1911 · #46 Post by **Jim1911** » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 17:04

@over_soul

You are probably trying to use the boot manager (only works with frugal installation) to select your sfs file. In a full hd installation, the sfs file must be mounted and then the files copied over to the correct directory.

There are tools available to copy it for you that work well. See http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40779

After you copy the files to the proper location exit to a prompt to start kde as you did before.

Jim

over_soul · #47 Post by **over_soul** » Thu 22 Oct 2009, 16:03

Thanks Jim1911

I did what you said - now the kde pack is finally installed. But I still can't run it - still the same problem. The only difference is, that every thime I start bash or exit x (and when computer starts) I get the following message:

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/etc/profile.d/kde.csh: line 11: syntax error: unexpected end of file
/etc/profile.d/qt.chs: line 10: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/etc/profile.d/qt.chs: line 10: `              foreach qtd ( /usr/lib/qt-* ) '

How to fix it and make KDE start?
Help please...
P.S.
I'm using Puppy 430

Jim1911 · #48 Post by **Jim1911** » Thu 22 Oct 2009, 19:10

Sorry, I don't have any experience getting kde357 to work, KDE358 sfs has worked well for me you can find it using http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html.

A much easier option would be to get lighthouse http://www.lhpup.org/ where you can get Kde versions thru the latest 4.3. Tazok has really done a super job on this with his latest LH443 having the capability to run KDE 4.3 and also switch back to KDE 3.5.10 if you prefer it. He has included loads of extra features, however, presently it only works with a frugal installation. If your hardware can handle it, this is the way to work with the latest KDE.

Otherwise try KDE 358.

Jim

tazoc · #49 Post by **tazoc** » Fri 23 Oct 2009, 00:35

Hi over_soul,
You can safely delete /etc/profile.d/qt.csh and kde.csh. That should fix the bash errors. To start KDE exit from X to the command line and type:

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xwin startkde

(no space between start and kde.)
-TazOC

over_soul · #50 Post by **over_soul** » Fri 23 Oct 2009, 16:59

Thanks tazoc

That indeed removed the error message in bash. But I still can't run kde - after "xwin startkde" I get the following message in x, before everything loads:

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Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation

When I click "OK", which is the only option I get a windows-like shutdown menu with the following options:
1. poweroff
2. reboot
3. restart X
4. commandline
Is there anything I can do? Can I fix it? (I really like KDE...)

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