Minisys-Linux Muppy008 (dec, 20, 2007) / SP3 (jan, 13, 2008)

[MU]

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News: new version 008.1 availabe.
Details:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 662#166662

DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE OLD 008 ANY MORE!
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screenshot:


Full-size (400 kb):
http://noforum.de/pics/Muppy008-1600.jpg


There are 2 isos, one is english, the other partially german.

It runs well and pretty fast on my IBM Thinkpad with 256 MB Ram and 800 Mhz.
I run it as frugal installation, is also runs fine from a fast CD-drive.
The ISO works too in qemu, with at least 128 MB ram assigned.

You can see a list of included programs and screenshots and download-links at:
http://dotpups.de/Minisys-Linux/

Some programs were tweaked, e.g. the Installer PSI now uses petget directly for pets.
Older version uses pkgtool instead.
I'll update the corresponding dotpups next week, so other pupletts can use them.

Hardware accelleration for graficscard is enabled by default using free drivers, so you can play tuxracer or descent2 immedeatly from the Live-CD.
Propriatary Nvidia-drivers are included, too, Muppy will detect such cards and launch an installer.


Feel free to post suggestions, and please report bugs you find.
Muppy 009 in some months will contain even more german, and enhanced wizards, e.g. for Icewm.

I want to thank especially Barry for Puppy and encouraging me in continuing the Muppy-Series.
And Whodo for Ezpup, that is a great refinement and enhancement of the icewm-ultra dotpup I made long ago, and that is very outdated meanwhile.
I could mention many more, like Pliney and Zigbert who have coded so many wonderfull wizards meanwhile.
Take these name as representatives for all other contributors, who I do not name directly, please

Please install the Service-Pack 3, too:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 583#166583

Mark

related links:

Installation to harddisk (fix problems):
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24892

Installation auf Festplatte (Problembehebung, deutsch):
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25425

Mini-Muppy (smaller version):
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25414

build-a-muppy (create your custom Muppy):
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23272

bugfix for puppys initrd.gz:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23381

gslapt packagemanager:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=21908

[Lobster]

Hi Mark

Only seems to be 17MB - or is that a zipped iso and I had a faulty download?

Download (400 MB) from here, scroll down to see it:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=141936

good to see graphic acceleration included

[MU]

no, you chose minisys without muppy

Muppy is at bottom, under "file-releases".
Click on
Minisys-Linux-Muppy008a
there to see the isos and checksums

Mark

[Lobster]

my only excuse is stupidity

thanks

[MU]

no, sourceforge really could need a good screendesigner.
The page is confusing.

It really was an adventure, to find out how to upload, luckily I started another project there some years ago, so we finally succeeded in less than an hour
But having those mirrors is great and worth the effort.

Time to sleep, have a good night
Mark

[Lobster]

Wiki needs updating
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/MuppyPuppy

OK I am in and running from CD

First of all it looks and feels very usable.
The early Muppy was rather overwhelming

3DCC - Muppy edition
Drivers and OpenGL are already installed.

I have an Nvidia Geforce AGP card and was expected it to be running?
Was not
The inclusion of Pupracer and Descent . . . only Pupracer was working but too slow to use . . . (full screen)
Even though Pupracer is 16MB (from what I remember) I rather like the idea of two 3D games included - Warren did this in a Alpha of 2.15CE which would have made it a non-Puppy
- but now we have Muppy

I notice you have Wine included . . .
there is a game called Soldat that is supposed to work with Wine very well (on their platinum list) and it is 2.6MB

Expose 2.4 was not running from the menu

I am intrigued by the Minisys systrem - The Babelfish
translation was not easy to follow (what do you expect from a fish)

When I rebooted (I did save the Muppy config) it picked up another
configuration Not Muppy -- this might be Puppy 3.01 but it is new to me . . .

Now this is interesting. This is a 400MB distro. That is big.
What should be cut? Nothing.
I can honestly say that the games. The Java, the themes and backgrounds etc make it all very usable.
Muppy will run on a modern computer, fast and efficiently.
I am running with 512MB of Ram but 256 should be ok?

I like it.

Now I am gonna try and fathom that Minisys part . . .

woof woof

[MU]

with build-a-muppy it is very easy, to create different flavours.
In future, we plan a desktop-muppy (almost as it is now), a game-muppy, and a server-muppy. When I release the final, I also will upload the whole buildscript with all packages, so you quickly can build a custom version.

I think the current version should satisfy a wide range of needs until then.

Non-free Nvidia-drivers will be added later, I must check out first what they overwrite, so that I can add a "restore" program in case a nvidia-installation breaks things. This would restore the inbuilt open-gl drivers and such.

As muppy comes with a business-background, stability has a higher priority than in older muppys, and new programs will be tested longer as before.

But compatibility with new nvidia-cards is important of course. We will try to get a testmachine by one of our customers.

thanks for reporting your impressions
Mark

[willhunt]

I Did not see my hdb10 part but the

Code: Select all

mknod /dev/hdb10 b 3 74

from the 301 bug thread fixed that
# ldconfig -v
ldconfig: Can't stat /opt/kde/lib: No such file or directory
ldconfig: Can't stat /opt/kde3/lib: No such file or directory
ldconfig: Path `/lib' given more than once
ldconfig: Path `/usr/lib' given more than once
ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libvga.so.1: No such file or directory

Thanks MU I got it up and running first try and am posting with it

Is there a way to set the lang to en?

[MU]

You downloaded the german iso?
to set the lang to en click on start-desktop-chooselocale.

But firefox and openoffice will remain german, as I had to use german versions as a whole.

If you want english versions, please use the english iso.

Docs for minisys itself are german, you just can use the translation-link on http://www.minisys.org .
Though minisys itself supports several languages.
We soon will enhance the language-choice.

Mark

[veronicathecow]

Hi Mark, just tried your ISO (frugal) but I just get the 3.01 desktop (It picked up a current pu_save file. I tried fix menus but no joy.
any thoughts appreciated
Many thanks
Tony

[klu9]

Hi Mark,

I'm updating the wiki page on Muppy and would like to know: what's the main idea of Muppy? Its distinguishing features or basic description etc.

Thanks

[geneven]

I installed Muppy tonight and it went pretty well. It looks like a nice setup, close to what I want. I was happy to see an old friend, the file manager xfe, among the programs. Thanks!

[geneven]

I installed on a 2 gig flash drive.

I have the infamous bcm43xx wireless, which worked fine after the standard things I have to do, which is run the standard connection setup for wireless. I go to the advanced area and fill in everything that I can. THEN, I still can't access the Internet. So I go to the Wiki and find the WIFI section and the instructions for manual setup that follow the instructions for the connection dialog stuff.

I put in the first two lines of the manual setup. Then I can access the Internet.

All this is just for the first time thru. I save my settings, of course, and I take the lines I needed from the manual setup and put them in a text file, which I make executable and all I have to do from then on is execute that file and I'm on the internet.

This has not much to do with Muppy; I have to do this with Puppy proper 3.00 or 3.01 as well and every other version of Puppy I've tried.

[klu9]

I've added multiple download methods to the Muppy wiki page

BTW you can make a more direct sourceforge link by right-clicking the download section heading for muppy008a, which gave me this:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=552584

just the muppy008a downloads, nothing else in between.

[MU]

I currently uploaded Alpha2.
Tomorrow there will follow the Beta-version.

The only difference will be an updated minisys, as Stefan currently is fixing a nasty bug.

Muppy itself will contain no further changes I think.

One thing is absolutely untested:
If you have a Nvidia-graficscard, it uses the free xorg-drivers (xorgwizard will use them).
Then when X starts, Muppy detects this driver, and offers to install the propriatary drivers instead.
If that fails, you can restore the free driver in the comandline by typing:
uninstall-nvidia

I have no nvidia-card here, so I have no idea, if it really works.
I leave for 1-2 weeks on friday, so I'd be glad to get a feedback until tomorrow, if it works or not.
If it fails, I'll remove this from the Beta.


** this version is outdated, use the beta instead! **
Download using wget like this:
wget -c --referer=http://puppyisos.org http://puppyisos.org/isos/2007-07-to-12 ... 08c-DE.iso

or
wget -c --referer=http://puppyisos.org http://puppyisos.org/isos/2007-07-to-12 ... 08c-EN.iso


The beta-version will be uploaded to sourceforge.net tomorrow.

So what is new?
I added several gtkbasic based programs I already announced.
I fixed several bugs.
I added more german translations.

Mark

[MU]

upload finished
good night, Mark

[HairyWill]

Boring!

Yet another excellent offering from MU.

Works for me Mark. I nearly fell off my chair. I've had this laptop for a year and never managed to get the openGL test to work at more than 14 fps despite monkeying around for hours with 3DCC. I just assumed thats all my i830m was capable of. Muppy 8 clocks it at 30fps. I might even give bzflag a go on it.

I didn't have time to give it a proper work out but have a couple of points.

I tried Xvesa first and got a popup saying "Xvesa not supported" I presume this was from an individual application as everything looked ok, just a little alarming and I'm curious what the application was.

The gtkbasic desktop switcher (cool idea) is visible in the taskbar ( I can't remember if you can stop this in icewm)

The stack of krell, monitory things (you can tell I normally used jwm) covered up some desktop icons in the bottom right corner at one point.

I've got 512MB of RAM. In a frugal install booted into RAM free showed I wa using over 300MB swap. I tried turning the swap off and was hitting free lots of times as it was clearing out the swap. It got down to using 20MB of swap and then hung, I just powered it off, I can't remember if I tried killing X first.

Really fast download, I managed to get the whole iso in less than 5 minutes at uni. Normally it takes me 10 minutes to get a normal puppy iso.

Keep up the good work, are you planning on sleeping?

[MU]

great

I also could verify today, that the Nvidia-installer and uninstaller works.
On a WinFast GT4000 it worked fine.
On a whatever400-32 the screen went black, so I had to reboot and run "uninstall-nvidia", to use the free driver again. That one also works very fast with the OpenGL-screensavers.
I just forgot to add the locale-files in alpha2, so you just see two empty green dialogs.
You must click "yes" - "continue" in them.
Or install this bugfix, it has the two missing textfiles:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2007-07-to-12 ... bugfix.pup

In the beta, the files are already included, so you see that that window will install the propriatary Nvidia-drivers.

I tried Xvesa first and got a popup saying "Xvesa not supported" I presume this was from an individual application as everything looked ok, just a little alarming and I'm curious what the application was.

True, this even is not fixed in the beta. But this is uncritical.
People using xvesa should delete 2 files from "autostart" (click on the autostart-icon on your desktop):
a-GtkBasic-SecondWM-
a-saver-
Those do not work with xvesa.

The gtkbasic desktop switcher (cool idea) is visible in the taskbar ( I can't remember if you can stop this in icewm)

Hm, I think it is icedock, not secondwm?
In my system I see it only in the JWM taskbar of the second desktop.
I will overwork this application for the final version, it was just a quick first release.

The stack of krell, monitory things (you can tell I normally used jwm) covered up some desktop icons in the bottom right corner at one point.

Yes, this is icedock.
It also has a simple configtool "Muppy-icedock" in the "Desktop"-menu.
That was an old one, I plan to replace it with an extended version written in Gtkbasic for the final.

Keep up the good work, are you planning on sleeping?

Well the good thing here is, that I don't have fixed working times.
One day I work 14 hours, the other maybe 6.
It is also ok to start at midday, what means I sometimes go to bed early in the morning.
So I can concentrate really well on what I do, this is better than in my old job before

Thanks for your detailed feedback.
Your observations match the points on my todo-list for the final release, so we seem to be on the right way

Link for the Beta-version (that compared to alpha2 just includes the language-files and a newer version of minisys):
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=558045

The english and german Iso will be available there in 1-2 hours.

Mark

[Béèm]

I downloaded the iso.
Extracted the files from it to put them ina /boot/Muppy008 folder.
I used iso master to extract the files as I did before for the Puppy 3.01 and 4.01

I saw that all files end with ;1
What is the purpose?
Should it stay there?

Also the pup_301.sfs extracted as a txt file not application.
Error in the iso or operator error?

[MU]

Hi Béèm,
I had an error in the end of downloading the EN iso, when I was redirected to the "kent" mirror.
I tried again then, and was redirected to "mesh.dl.sourceforge.net ", what worked fine.

Like this you can verify your downloads:
I just downloaded the DE iso.
Then typed:

mkdir /root/mount
mount -o loop muppy008-beta-DE.iso /root/mount
cd /root/mount
ls -1
boot.cat
boot.msg
initrd.gz
isolinux.bin
isolinux.cfg
pup_301.sfs
vmlinuz
zdrv_301.sfs

Verified the same with the EN iso.

So maybe your download is broken?
Please check the md5sum:
md5sum muppy008-beta-DE.iso
It should report:
d37576cb551659c6900547af97236423 muppy008-beta-DE.iso

Or for the EN:
md5sum muppy008-beta-EN.iso
9afe1b8a5897c6e7a1ce89f6023d708a muppy008-beta-EN.iso

Mark