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TSce 3.3ce-session manager? optionally not run as root
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Do you think a session manager is needed?
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Might be a good idea but I don't know how to do it.
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It is a good idea and I plan to help out.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Nov 2007, 14:10    Post subject:  TSce 3.3ce-session manager? optionally not run as root  

Should be in logout/shutdown menu

Should pop up a gtkdialog asking if you want to switch to enhanced security mode

Should offer to make it the default configuration with a checkbox

should allow to enter a username and password if it has not been set

It should also run a check to make sure that the firewall is running

The reson I suggest this is because many puppy linux installations are being installed by non-technical people and if someone hacks into their computer and messes it up their pupsave could be ruined

I have no idea how to run puppy as non-root but graphpup already does so maybe Nathan can give use a hand

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2008, 22:12    Post subject:  

I confess Im not familiar with the user controls with other linux's, but from the amount of virused up windows boxes that we get through the community centre then I can safely say puppy is far more secure than 98% of the computers out there, even running as root. I understand the read only nature of the pup_xxx.sfs file makes hacking puppy a lot more difficult?
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2008, 01:13    Post subject:  

Not so much as it makes cleaning up very easy. Unless the hacker messes with the actual harddrive, you're pup_xxx.sfs file will still be there, containing the unmodified original files. Any modified files are only modified in the save file. If you mount it from a pfix=ram session, you can delete any changed files (or the relevant .wh_ file for removed files), then reboot and the original version in the pup_xxx.sfs file should be used.

Worst case scenario is you rename the save file and start over, then mount it and just grab any data that was important to you.

This easy cleanup system is one of the reasons I like Frugal so much more than Full. It's also much simpler to back up by just making a copy of the save file, than having to worry about individual directories and stuff.


Even if a hacker did mess with the outside harddrive, he can't really modify the pup_xxx.sfs file. He could corrupt it, delete it, or replace it with another. But since it's an entire compressed filesystem, direct editing would be an extremely difficult task. Not impossible, but so difficult that if somebody with the ability to do it gets into your system you're gonna be so screwed up anyway that it doesn't even matter anymore.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2008, 02:25    Post subject:  

While I would probably not use this feature myself (because I run from a live CD). I can see where it would be a good idea in a Full hard drive install.
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2008, 20:34    Post subject:  

For me it's a great idea, accually i hate that i have to run as root.

I disagree with the way you want to implement it. Firstly it should ask in the begging (log-in) whether someone would like to run as user or root and ask name and password. Secondly I 100% desagree upon checking if the firewall is running. I'm not using software firewall and I don't want to because I am using router's nat and firewall (less memory, cpu usage Very Happy ).

I want to see this feature but I can't help on implemeting it (unable to code either compile Embarassed ), so also I can't deside what to vote, I'm between 2&3, mostly 3.
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