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MU


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Mar 2008, 23:48    Post subject:  

accessdenied wrote:
I made a incorrect statement...
Actually, what I wanted to ask was is it possible to have icedock as a 'tray icon' after loading?
The same steps/procedure as if I were to right click icedock on the taskbar and select 'tray icon'.
I apologize on the confusion...


Ah I see.
No, I have no idea how this could be done.
In theory... hm... GtkBasic supports Trayicons, so I could write one, that hides/unhides the icedock.

At moment I'm too busy, but I will see if I can add that somehow as a plugin to the new panel in 008.3.
Then it would need no additional resources, as the Panel now is integral part of Muppy.
But I cannot promise it yet.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 00:24    Post subject:  

I love GuestToos old postings:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=2919

So add this to /root/.icewm/winoptions:

Code:
IceDock.allWorkspaces: 1
IceDock.tray: Exclusive
IceDock.layer: OnTop
IceDock.icon: /root/icedock.png


The last line must point to a valid picture-file, or remove it.

This does not solve, that there is a blinking taskbar-entry at startup.
But it has a trayicon now.

To fix the taskbar-issue, add these lines in the end of:
/usr/local/Muppy-icedock/Muppy-icedock

Code:
shell("sleep 2")
a=GetWinIDbyName("icedock")
xwin_activate("0x" & a)

//-- uncomment this line to minimize icedock at startup!
//xwin_iconify("0x" & a)


If you can confirm, that it works, I'll add these changes to 008.3 Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 00:44    Post subject:  

I will do the config/test and post back the results...
Good Stuff MU, really Good Stuff!!!

cheers.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 01:58    Post subject:  

MU, I can confirm you are on-target with this one....
It's exactly as I pictured and works as requested.
The taskbar is now clean after loading.
However, I did changed the entry line 'IceDock.layer: OnTop' to 'IceDock.layer: Normal' in the /root/.icewm/winoptions file as being "OnTop" of every window is absolutely annoying.
Although, I recall icedock did an automatic pop-up when the mouse is moved to right side edge of the screen and disappears again when the mouse was removed but seems to not do that anymore. Hence the line entry change.

Hope this all make sense as I'm falling asleep writing this.. will pick this up later today... Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 05:16    Post subject:  

Just tried to get qt-3.3.8 from the petget mgr & when I selected add & ok, next message was ~'did I want to uninstall it'. Shocked Started to wonder there..for a bit. Then tried psi - installed fine & showed up in the right pane of the petget mgr.

Otherwise working fine on acer travelmate 2420 lap with the ipw2200 native driver & Lin'N'WinNewB setup with xp. Working good that way on another box along with vista.

Also added a fresh Seamonkey & Opera.

08.2 standard
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 14:39    Post subject:  

here is a picture you can use for the Icedock-trayicon,I use it in Muppy 0083.
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:12    Post subject:  

is there a listing of the complete contents of these sfs files:

- addons-EN_082.sfs
- Acroread8-EN_082.sfs
- KDE358_082.sfs


are there any other 008.2 compatible sfs files?
are there any other locations for any 008.2 related files?


what is the "KDE358-update.pet" file for? and if i need it, how do i use it?


is the "Videopup-008.2-FR.iso" file a version of muppy with video editing apps?

does "addons_OO_082.sfs" contain openoffice and is it compatible with the english version of muppy 008.2?



thanks for answering all of my questions,
david
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:26    Post subject:  

MU, thanks for th icedock png icon. Actually, I used a another but will use yours as I like the moving fishes.. Laughing

Also, I recently discovered what was happening to the icedock pop-up from what I though was an issue...

If the current viewing window is maximize, the icedock pop-up does not work. If the window is not maximized and stretched (dragged) to fix the whole screen, then moving the mouse over icedock will work... interesting find...

Did you purposely have icedock behave this way?
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:36    Post subject:  

besonen:
You should be able to use most sfs files made for Puppy.
Especially those for Puppy 3, but also most for Puppy 2 should work.

You only must rename them, so that their name is "something_082.sfs", where "something" can be a word of your choice.

- KDE, please see details here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26151

- addons.sfs adds the things to the Muppy-Mini, that else just can be found in the Standard-Iso (OpenOffice, Wine, Java, Codecs and others listed here: http://dotpups.de/Minisys-Linux/ ).
Use the DE version if you want german.
Use the EN version if you want english.


- Videopup is a french version based on Muppy with Video-Applications, created by papos.
Details:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27611
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does "addons_OO_082.sfs" contain openoffice and is it compatible with the english version of muppy 008.2?

It is the french OpenOffice + skype_static-2.0.0.43, java, celtx etc.


accessdenied:
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Did you purposely have icedock behave this way?

No, the current setting is what I reached by some testing.
The behaviour you describe might be an unwanted side-effect of "transferring" the window-control partially from Icedock to the tray-system of Icewm.
I currently do not know, how this could be changed.

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 17:53    Post subject:  

MU, I believe this has nothing to do with recent the tray icon edition you provided.
As a matter of fact, this was happening before changing the winoptions and Muppy-icedock but I could not distinguish when my windows were maximize or stretched out and thought is was strange that it works on some windows and not others.
I suppose it's the natureof the beast... regardless, excellent distro!!!
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 21:26    Post subject:  

MU wrote:

- KDE, please see details here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26151


thanks Mark.

i found one reference (http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=172841#172841)
to the KDE358-update.pet file. i don't quite understand how it's supposed to be used (i'm a puppy newbie). i am under the impression that the KDE358-update.pet file might be obsolete, correct?

question, i thought .pet files were superseded by .sfs files?


MU wrote:

- addons.sfs adds the things to the Muppy-Mini,


ah, i was wondering where i could find the muppy-mini 008.2 isos.
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 21:32    Post subject:  

oh yes, you need the .pet.
It includes fixes for the KDE358.sfs.
I did not apply them yet to the sfs itself, so this pet is needed, too.
After you selected the KDE358.sfs in the bootmanager (Puppy-Menu -> System -> Bootmanager) and rebooted to activate it, click in Rox-Filer on the downloaded pet to install it.


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ah, i was wondering where i could find the muppy-mini 008.2 isos.

http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-01-to-06/Muppy-008.2/
http://puppyfiles.ca/puppyisos/isos/Muppy008.2/

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 21:46    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
oh yes, you need the .pet.


ok, thanks.



MU wrote:
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ah, i was wondering where i could find the muppy-mini 008.2 isos.

http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-01-to-06/Muppy-008.2/
http://puppyfiles.ca/puppyisos/isos/Muppy008.2/


right.

my comment was meant to imply that i just realized that the base muppy iso was in fact the "mini" iso.

prior to that realization i was hunting around for a "mini" muppy iso.
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 21:55    Post subject:  

The mini is:
Mini-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso

Together with:
addons-LANGUAGE_082.sfs

you will get the same programs as using only:
Minisys-Linux-Standard-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso

The advantage of using mini+addon is better memory management.
This will become even more evident in 008.3, where I could reduce the mini to be more responsive on computers with only 256 MB of Ram.

I will re-write the website this week, explaining it in detail, to avoid further confusion Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 22:40    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
The mini is:
Mini-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso


i swear when i checked the puppyisos.org and puppyfiles.ca sites earlier today those mini files were not there.



MU wrote:

Together with:
addons-LANGUAGE_082.sfs

you will get the same programs as using only:
Minisys-Linux-Standard-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso

The advantage of using mini+addon is better memory management.


why would the combo have better memory management than the standard iso? it seems unintuitive to me.



MU wrote:

I will re-write the website this week, explaining it in detail, to avoid further confusion :D


that sounds great.

thank you for all of your efforts.

if i start to setup clients with muppy, is there a way i can have them make a donation to you?
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