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eccentric

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 08:44    Post subject: spelling
Subject description: Phoenix
 

I am just throwing more wood on the fire, In my 1922 very large dictionary you can spell it
Phoenix and also Phenix . it is a bird that flies around every 500 years, burns it,s "butt" and is renewed, just like Puppy, every 500 hours it is renewed.

You do not have to be an Eccentric to love Puppy but it helps.
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 11:35    Post subject:  

If someone wanted to compile Glipper and Geany 2 newer versions are out
http://glipper.sourceforge.net/
http://geany.uvena.de/Main/HomePage
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 15:02    Post subject:  

if the servers are burning up, have a look at the tips here:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/DistributingYourPuplet
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 15:14    Post subject: Development  

Hi All, glad to see this thread has had so many additions. A text editior is more of a development tool than something a "linux newb" would require on a day to day basis, for that reason I think a desktop icon would distract rather than be useful to a normal day to day user.

Glipper I notice is now a Python App, this would require additional libraries and extra size? Its also a x.00 version, and Phoenix is based on stability. Im happy for geany to be updated to the latest version if it is stable.

Lobster, thank you for re-posting the project aims and objectives. I would like the final theme/wallpaper to be the subject of another thread. Puppy 3.02 Alpha looks superb when compared to other puppies, and it can be improved upon. I really want this thread to be about testing the base, and when it is complete, adding the features.

Currently skipstone works well, Im not sure however that the configuration is correctly set up, if someone would like to look at those. I think the home page could also be done with setting to something else. Eventually the default location when connected should be the Phoenix home page (there is a thread about this). I also experienced some problems today at work using it to download M$ Word files. Theres no default "open with" for files of different types.

Im just uploading a mirror copy to Ecomoney Systems Distribution server at

http://ecomoney.eu/phoenix/puppy-214-remaster.iso

Update... Previous edition, since upgraded, please see later in thread[/b]

Should be finished uploading by about 20:30 GMT

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 15:20    Post subject: update  

Well when I was talking about installing the gtk theme chooser I was talking about the latest one, from Whodo, It had a lot more nicer themes, Actually if you compare, the default one has around 500kb of themes while whodo's latest is around 7MB. A bit overkill, so anyways i just transfered over 1 theme, Glossy P, It changes the looks of rox.
Then I said to myself why not make skipstone look like Glossy P, so I made a theme for skipstone and changed it, you can revert back if you wish in the menu under themes in skipstone:) Also i change the images within skipstone so it now has a Phoenix splash/intro screen. A more unified look one would think:)
next I installed Pwget as asked by Caneri Smile The least we can do for one of the guys who really donates to puppy:)
--->The only problem with Pwget is that the clipboard doesn't work with skipstone and Pwget, Geany. So this should be looked into, It works fine with Seamonkey.
next i installed PSI since thats a great package manager.
--->The only Problem with P.S.I is that it updates fine, But when you go to download something it returns with a message "File Not Found" So that would have to be looked into.

2 new problems:) any takers

I added the wallpapers as asked
Added icons on the desktop for PSI,Pwget, Skipstone

I found when i tried to open small icons 16x16 Qiv was hiding some of the image, So i reverted xpm,png back to mtpaint as the default viewer for the smaller image formats, Qiv still opens jpg

I didn't have time for the splash screen, Also maybe someone else could do that one. I have to Teach today and also work on friday, and so Maybe saturday I might have free time.

If someone could look into the Menu structure that would be good also, since by default it out of order, and Calculate is missing, And pfind and a few others are in the wrong locations.

I placed the updated iso in the same location,name etc so we wouldn't have all different links all over, could be bad if someone was downloading the older version while i was moving it to a new folder, should i just give each release a new location ?

Here's the new release link
http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/ecopup/puppy-214-remaster.iso
MD5 2C1BE43FB904D3E61FF1EE4CF8A98DF2

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 15:33    Post subject: Re: Development  

ecomoney wrote:
Hi All, glad to see this thread has had so many additions. A text editior is more of a development tool than something a "linux newb" would require on a day to day basis, for that reason I think a desktop icon would distract rather than be useful to a normal day to day user.


Sorry I already was uploading when you typed this:) The icons/themes can all be changed/removed at anytime, usually the last thing to do is tidy the desktop look and feel. Plus if we use ezpup it will change/kill all the default desktop icons anyways, I would like a ezpup without the icons, or any other programs, a barebones version, including the higher taskbar, icons for menu items, and maybe 1 icewm theme, if were using icewm, because it would be nice if we went and found all new themes for this release, so it stands out from the rest of the icewm based puppies. Plus the size, Regular ezpup is over 20MB install where icewm is around 1MB and a couple of themes would bloat it to 3-5MB.
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 18:34    Post subject: development  

not to worry, Im sure it will be sorted out.

Just a word about something I observed with new users. Package names are not familiar with them (its the first time they have tried linux!), so its really helpful to them to put as a label what the package does, rather than what it is called. For example, abiword is labelled "write" and gNumeric labelled "Calc". I think as a rule developer tools should not have an icon on the desktop (I know this isnt going to be popular, but were not developing for developers).

Perhaps Ttuuxxx, just so we know where we are, you would number your "releases", so things arnt overwritten (if there is the server space).

Thanks again for your hard work and starting this off.

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 19:15    Post subject:  

Hi ecomoney

Eric says the server space is no problem......All we have to do is get ttuuxxx to quit using up all the bandwidth. lol

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 19:49    Post subject: Re: development  

ecomoney wrote:
its really helpful to them to put as a label what the package does, rather than what it is called. For example, abiword is labelled "write" and gNumeric labelled "Calc".


Agreed - under Setup, we have "Software package manager"
Add Software would do it

Which is the menu descriptions file?
A modified one can be added here - anyone up for that?
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/TalkingStickCodeSnippets

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2008, 08:15    Post subject: Menu Design  

I have started a new thread to address the useability issues of the standard puppy menu here.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2008, 04:16    Post subject:  

Hi guys,
regarding Glipper becoming a Python app, there is another GTK2 clipboard manager that has gone the other way, from a Python app to a C app. I can't recall it's name though, but I found it at www.gnomefiles.org. It doesn't need Gnome, just GTK.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2008, 14:17    Post subject: Re: Spelling  

ecomoney wrote:
http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwesl/egw/jones/differences.htm


You know, back when I was learning to spell I spelled all the things in the "-dg vs. -dge" box the British way (and I still find myself spelling them that way sometimes). My teachers yelled at me and told me I was spelling it all wrong. Turns out I was just spelling for teachers on the wrong side of the pond.

As for Phoenix, I am downloading the ISO now. Hopefully I will have enough time to give it a good testing.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2008, 20:03    Post subject:  

English is so many languages, is almost like BASIC lol

SirDuncan, would be very interested to hear about your views on Phoenix so far in this very early stage.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2008, 14:45    Post subject:  

Well, I burned the CD and booted it in my desktop. I just gave it a brief test, because I really should be studying for my calc midterm, but I just couldn't resist.

Skipstone seems like a nice little browser. I didn't give it any real stress testing, but it displayed all the pages I went to correctly (I should probably have gone to a site with some complicated scripting, but I didn't think of it). Are there any glaring problems with Skipstone that prevent us from just tossing Seamonkey? Many people will replace Seamonkey anyway, so if Skipstone doesn't have any major issues I think we might just want to stick with it.

Why is Qiv the default image viewer instead of GQview? GQview has no issues with any format that I know of and it's already installed, so why not use it?

I noticed that Abiword has a working spell checker. That is definitely a good move. It's a bit of a pain to get your term paper written and realize that you need to upload you doc to Google Docs in order to check the spelling. Yes, I could install the spell checker myself, but that's me, not the computer illiterate grandmother. Besides, most people just expect the spell checker to be there.

I didn't have any issues with Geany, but I didn't really do very much with it. I do have a programming project to do over the weekend, so maybe I will get a Phoenix install on my flash drive and write the program in it. That should be a good test.

The only real gripe I have right now is that the menu structure is largely the same as 2.14R. I (and probably many others) have gotten used to having "Setup" towards the top and "Multimedia" towards the bottom, etc. That's not a big deal, but something to think about.

I need to head to class, so I will post more when I get more testing done. SO far it seems like a good job.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 06:06    Post subject:  

Thanks for testing SirDuncan, Skipstone uses the "headers" from seamonkey (or firefox I believe also), so on of these must be installed first (correct me if Im wrong). Seamonkey also has a mail reader, address book and composer. Skipstone was chosen becuase it just uses the web browser part of seamonkey and is *very* fast to load (even though I think the UI could do with some improvement).

With regards the menu structure, its already been earmarked for improvement, based upon Richard.a 's work with 2.10r . You can read the thread here

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