Puppy 3 Series Look-and-Feel

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WhoDo · #1 Post by **WhoDo** » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 07:36

Personally, I'd like to see the Ultimate Gnome icon set in Puppy 3. It should replace the standard ROX set so that we always have some really nice looking folders, etc.

We also need to decide on a standard GTK-2 theme. My preference is for Modern Times as modified by me.

What about the default background? What other icon sets should find their way into Barry's desktop icon changer?

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Lobster · #2 Post by **Lobster** » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 08:16

I would like to see the transparent set that takes on the colours of the wallpaper
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4042 ... piczi7.jpg

I do think the existing 3 icon themes with maybe one more BUT an SFS or petget of themes for JWM would be great.

Possible?

Also Tronkels latest wallpaper was dark. Very stylish. Similar to Vista IV in Ezpup. Add a small logo bottom right and the version Puppy 3.03 CE with the rastapix image and we have something?

Or another possibility is to honour the idea of the multiple contributors in the wallpaper somehow (not sure how?)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/TalkingStickContributors

#3 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 09:18

As gtk2 themes go I personally like the "Glossy P" since I've been using that as a default theme in my releases people have been going nuts about it.
Sending me emails and saying how much of a nice change it is. Not too flashy or bright, just the right combination. As Icons goes and icon sets, if anybody is handing some in, please size them accordingly like pixmaps 48x48 etc.
I guess I could optimise all the backgrounds and icons. as a space saving tactic.

WhoDo do you have a picture the Ultimate Gnome icon set and modern times gtk2?
ttuuxxx

WhoDo · #4 Post by **WhoDo** » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 10:11

ttuuxxx wrote:WhoDo do you have a picture the Ultimate Gnome icon set and modern times gtk2?

Here you go. My root folder with Ultimate Gnome folder icons and Modern Times Gtk-2 theme. The beauty of Ultimate Gnome is that it works from 900kb of SVG files only, and can be used with the ROX Types command, so it can be switched around quickly, unlike most compilation icon themes. Don't pay any attention to the desktop icons - they aren't part of the Ultimate Gnome set.

tronkel · #5 Post by **tronkel** » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 22:41

That's snazzy WhoDo

What about putting that into one of the Lassie sfs modules that runs Ezpup?

Lobster · #6 Post by **Lobster** » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 01:20

How many browsers do you need?

1

Using Netsurf (or a small html reader and a connection) and a Sfs allows us to cut the bloat to below 100MB

and add eye candy (with ezpup SFS)
and common software for Net needs, office needs, graphic needs etc

that is the idea behind this program prototype (which is about 10k)

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 033#146033

#7 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 02:32

Lobster wrote:How many browsers do you need?

1

Using Netsurf (or a small html reader and a connection) and a Sfs allows us to cut the bloat to below 100MB

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 033#146033

Just wondering lobster when you use a .sfs, is it still a maximum of 3 only at once? I think I read that once somewhere.
ttuuxxx

Lobster · #8 Post by **Lobster** » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 02:46

There is a work around (that was created maybe in Dingo already and possibly in 3.02) that allows more than 3 sfs - this of course requires increased use of ram and swap drive (if not much ram)

Maybe someone remembers the details? Code? Link?

wingruntled · #9 Post by **wingruntled** » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 03:05

Lobster
Netsurf is not a browser, it's an HTML viewer at best.
I just loaded it up and typed in www.google.com in the address bar and sure I got to google but I couldn't save it as a bookmark.
Bad:
can't import
can't export
can't even save one

nic2109 · #10 Post by **nic2109** » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 16:28

Lobster wrote:How many browsers do you need?

1

Using Netsurf (or a small html reader and a connection) and a Sfs allows us to cut the bloat to below 100MB

and add eye candy (with ezpup SFS)
and common software for Net needs, office needs, graphic needs etc

that is the idea behind this program prototype (which is about 10k)

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 033#146033

Great idea.

Here are a few low-priority nit-picks (OMG - I've turned into Sage!)

1. Is there a difference between 'Yes' and 'OK' in the LH window? If not then remove one of them. If there is then please clarify which does what.

2. In the RH window - which is presumably the result of clicking on 'Yes' (or 'OK' or either of them) - then the text in the Info panel needs refining slightly to say

.... before you connect to the internet...'

and not 'connected'.

3. I suggest that the 'EZPup' entry is expanded slightly to indicate that it's the way to 'Make puppy better looking' as offered in the first panel. We know that's what EZPup does, but others may not.

4. Likewise the 'Wine' entry needs to explain that it's how to run Windows programs.

5. Any 'follow-up action' necessary to get the selected expansion pack up and running needs to be made clear. Especially as some are .PETs which sort themselves out, while others are .SFS packages which need selecting for Boot up.

Now a bigger issue.

For many Abiword and Gnumeric are adequate while others add Open Office as a matter of course. If these apps which are frequently superceded by bigger ones were themselves in an .SFS file then they could be dropped as easily as their replacements can be added. Is there any mileage in moving a selection of such apps into a seperate file? It would be included in the standard build, but easily removable for the purists. The built-in browser could be there too, so the Opera zealots can junk Firefox - or vice-versa whatever ends up selected.

It's just a thought.

Lobster · #11 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 17:53

wingruntled wrote:Lobster
Netsurf is not a browser, it's an HTML viewer at best.

Ah OK - so are Skipstone (if compiled in the Ttuuxxx approved manner) and Dillo the front runners?

#12 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 16:10

Now UPDATED X4
Based on the latest stable release of icewm 1.2.35
I've been working on a lightweight ICEWM window manager, Basically its a 709 KB (was originally 653kb) pet package, it only has 1 theme, which can be changed anytime.
If possible maybe we could work a bit on it. Because I'm having a few minor configuring problems .

Need to install free memory applet (Last thing on my List)

Fixed ---> 1st I can't get blinky working (Thanks to Mu for blinky, and I manage to get it auto started onece installed

)
Fixed --->2nd I would like 3 icons replace the the worded sections in the taskbar "Quick Launch", "Volume", "Screenshot"
Fixed --->3rd I would like "Windows" and "Logout" removed from the Start menu section.

Fixed ---> Now has mouse tracking menu
Fixed ---> Blinky background colour

Now has A theme that I did all the graphics and some of the code:)
I really put a lot in this theme

The way I made the icewm package is that it doesn't change the desktop icons or the menu icons, to save space plus we now have a icon selector anyways.

Thanks for your help

ps to start it
exit to prompt and type startx icewm
enter

richard.a · #13 Post by **richard.a** » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 02:08

nic2109 wrote:Now a bigger issue.

For many Abiword and Gnumeric are adequate while others add Open Office as a matter of course. If these apps which are frequently superceded by bigger ones were themselves in an .SFS file then they could be dropped as easily as their replacements can be added. Is there any mileage in moving a selection of such apps into a seperate file? It would be included in the standard build, but easily removable for the purists. The built-in browser could be there too, so the Opera zealots can junk Firefox - or vice-versa whatever ends up selected.

It's just a thought.

I agree whole-heartedly

Such a logical step which is easily performed, and just as easily explained to a newbie - even of the non-technical variety, who can be reassured that the file can be restored from the CD should they need the contents at a later date.

Richard

oblivious · #14 Post by **oblivious** » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 04:53

I'm not familiar with the alternatives, but my only request would be (if it's possible) to include an option that is a bit subdued - I find most of the modern choices much too bright (I think that's why I like 215CE, because of the dark blue desktop).

I really like the appearance of the desktop/icons etc. in Nearly Office Puppy - but as I don't think that's GTK, that's probably not helpful

. Basically, I'll take what I'm given

#15 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 06:56

This is what i've done so far
-fixed the menus
-Fixed the taskbar and added just 4 icons ( extra 11kb

)

the main taskbar now has
-Quick Launch - with ScreenShot in the list
-Volume Control
-Default Browser
-Pfind

updated the download link

Now all I need is some nice person to take this package and add BLINKY to it and thats it:) please and thank you.
ttuuxxx

HairyWill · #16 Post by **HairyWill** » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 08:25

nic2109 wrote:For many Abiword and Gnumeric are adequate while others add Open Office as a matter of course. If these apps which are frequently superceded by bigger ones were themselves in an .SFS file then they could be dropped as easily as their replacements can be added. Is there any mileage in moving a selection of such apps into a seperate file?

This only works if you are always planning on installing puppy.[1] Puppy has always been a live CD. If these programs aren't available in the live CD then you can't do MS compatible word processing / spreadsheet handling.

One of puppy's original goals was to breathe life into old hardware. Very often in these old systems the processor is the limiting factor and is hard or uneconomic to upgrade. RAM however is often a very simple upgrade. I can take 3 junked 300MHz systems with 128MB RAM, shove all the RAM into one of them and it should do a reasonable job of running puppy. One of the reasons that puppy can work snappily in this scenario is because all the base applications are permanently in RAM. Extra sfs files are not loaded into RAM. If you put abiword and gnumeric into an extra sfs file puppy loses its advantage and is in fact disadvantaged because it has to load the executables from disk and use the processor to decompress them.

Of course you could use each the 3 systems above to do a full install with 128MB RAM, a direct comparison of the two would be interesting, I'm sure there is one round here somewhere.

Some of the above comments about performance are my unsubstantiated opinion and if any one has results that contradict I would be interested.

[1]unless you are proposing a new class of applications that are stored on CD and loaded when needed, in which case you have lost the ability to run without the CD mounted.

#17 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 05:45

Well Mu helped to install Blinky, Thanks a lot. mark

and I managed to get it running as soon as a the net is connected

So with that all done now I would say its worth a download and try.
Projected complete
ttuuxxx
Link on page 1 for download
ps please give some feedback for it being only 709 KB.

charnisingh · #18 Post by **charnisingh** » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 04:14

hallo,

i have tested bkicewm Pet in Dingo 4 a7 and it is working i must thanks the developer for this master piece which i was looking for quite some time as who do's ezpup 3.0.1 is qute big in size. though Dingo does not need any beautification as in itself it is beautiful but by installing ezpup
gxine use to get stabilized and its full screan mode functions the way it should.
by installing bkicewm it has the same effect on gxine..
bkicewm requires in addition 2 more libs in Dingo 4 a7 ie:
libgdk pix buf so.2 and liblmlib so.1
and to start command is: xwin icwm.

let us all hail and enjoy the light version of ICWM. i have added one more theme in it-vista black IV. to go with Digo.

#19 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 04:36

charnisingh wrote:hallo,

i have tested bkicewm Pet in Dingo 4 a7 and it is working i must thanks the developer for this master piece which i was looking for quite some time as who do's ezpup 3.0.1 is qute big in size. though Dingo does not need any beautification as in itself it is beautiful but by installing ezpup
gxine use to get stabilized and in full screan mode functions the it should.
by installing bkicewm it has the same effect on gxine..
bkicewm require sin addition 2 more libs in Dingo 4 a7 ie:
libgdk pix buf so.2 and liblmlib so.1
and to start command is: xwin icwm.

let us all hail and enjoy the light version of ICWM. i have added one more theme in it-vista black IV. to go with Digo.

Thats excellent to hear, I am so glad for that. I'm still working on it and have 2 more releases scheduled before I think I can say "finally its done!!" lol I've been working on it for 5 days now around 12hrs a day. My next release will have a custom theme that I've been building, and actually might be a bit smaller of a package. Since the theme is smaller to start with

ttuuxxx

Lobster · #20 Post by **Lobster** » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 08:09

contact rastapax

who is designing new icons . . .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 758#181758

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