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[tronkel]

Puppy-302Alpha2_barebones-skipstone.iso available. Get it here:

http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/tronkel/puppy-3.02_Alpha2_barebones-skipstone.iso

I have bitten the bullet here and included the Skipstone browser along with the mandatory Seamonkey. I think I can justify having both, on the basis that according to the modular Lassie concept, the core Chihuahua should have all of the basics "out of the box". Email is therefore provided by Seamonkey and faster browser courtesy of Skipstone. Skipstone is not quite perfect yet, so Seamonkey is there should it be required.

For this barebones version (Chihuahau module), I have tidied up the default positioning for the desktop icons.

This version also contains all of Barry's updates since 302Alpha1 was introduced. These include an updated glibc-2.5-1, PCMCIA fix, updated rc.modules, rc.shutdown and Puppy universal installer back-ported from Dingo. I have therefore called it Alpha2. Use this version as your Chihuahua base rather than any previous barebones version.

Retro versions of barebones and standard full Puppy3.02Alpha will follow very soon.

[alienjeff]

What is the default WM to be?

[BarryK]

tronkel,
I was wondering how you are going to manage distribution of your latest Unleashed? Will you be making it into a tarball and uploading it somewhere, as I did for the 3.02alpha1?
I suppose in theory it would be possible to create a difference tarball that could be installed over the alpha1.

[tronkel]

Barry wrote:

[tronkel]

Alienjeff wrote:

[Lobster]

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/TalkingStickLassie

Thanks Tronkel,
Really appreciate what you are doing
Put the info on the wiki and been playing with the new version
I upgraded (booting from CD with a save file on HD)

Been using Flock (which I really don't understand the point of at all - at present
Flock just seems buttons linking to bookmarks - I know this is unfair
but I refuse to 'learn' a browser)

Also been using inkscape to change the background

That battery monitor is very good
The time seems about 4 hours behind (think Barry mentioned this as a known bug)
CUPS printed well twice and then garbage (someone else mentioned this)

I also noticed that no media player s present or working?
This is 92MB - Is that large for a Barebones?

We need testers and feedback

[klu9]

Coblitzed link:
http://coblitz.codeen.org/www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/tronkel/puppy-3.02_Alpha2_barebones-skipstone.iso

[raffy]

The (very) small window at the right end of the task bar now stands out because of the dark background. Any way this can be blended with the background?

In the small screen of the eee (or the Classmate), the task bar is auto-hidden, and this small window has become visible.

[ttuuxxx]

Hey tronkel

It looks promising:)
Just one thing, I was wonder if possible, could you compile skipstone with the latest Firefox? The skipstone developer said it was possible and personally I think it would be a savings of 15+MB in size and if you want a ultra small email client to replace seamonkey's then maybe have a look at this post I started. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26505
its only 120kb and works excellent.

I think a setup like that would really set this Puppy on-Fire.
Isn't it time that we let the monkey out-to-drift into the sunset?
ttuuxxx

[Sage]

On the basis that criticism can be helpful, I am having trouble with this logic? Nothing wrong with Skipstone - nothing at all. The persitent complaints are against the excessive bloat of Seamunster, in particular, and the ceaseless bloat of this particular compact distro. Of course, everything including the kitchen sink can be added - several branches have done this. The trick is deciding what can be removed to get back towards the magic number of 50Mb - the (now almost non-existent!) credit card limit. First step by John with MeanPup successfully substituted Opera - possibly the most popular derivative of Puppy in this direction. BK recently tried another browser which didn't seem too popular. Dillo may be just too basic and Links-2 is for specialist CLI users. But Skipstone - yes. Now do the clever stuff and trim some other fat as well whilst you're at it?

[Lobster]

[ttuuxxx]

[ICPUG]

Here we go again. It is browser wars time again!

I was very surprised to find ANY browser in barebones.

I agree with Sage. 90+MB seems a bit large for a bare bones.

I agree with Lobster - the first thing you do is load a browser.

BUT if you keep the browser out of barebones and have individual sfs files for Seamonkey; Firefox; Operal; etc. you can select your own personal favourite without starting browser wars again!

As it stands you load Chihuahua and Lassie Firefox and you get TWO bloated browsers when you only need one!

I will say it again.

Keep barebones Chihuahua the BASICS. Then create sfs files for EACH browser; EACH Office pack; EACH media blayer; Developer Pack; game pack etc.

Pick and mix your favourite apps. Use MU's SFS Combiner to create your personal SFS. You then have your own Puppy made of Chihuahua and your personal SFS. No more Browser/Office/media player wars. Every one happy. We can concentrate on getting the bugs out of Chihuahua and creating the individual SFS files without getting distracted about which browser/office pack/media player, ... to include.

When you have got these modules in place then you can create some standard combinations for Newbies to get going with no messing around.

This idea is not new. Whodo sort of did it with 2.15CE but the individual SFS files mentioned on the wiki seem a bit limited.

I'm not technical enough to know whether this is possible BUT it does seem a good idea.

ICPUG

[alienjeff]

[geneven]

I dunno, but I had never heard of Skipstone till recently, and I seem perfectly happy with it so far, which is more than I can say for the other alternatives to Firefox. Well, actually I loved Dillo too, but it's just not advanced enough to use for all one's browsing.

But in the long run, I need flash and java and the extensions that come with Firefox.