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oblivious · #151 Post by **oblivious** » Sat 29 Mar 2008, 04:55

I don't know what anybody's talking about, but if you want regular people to have access to the downloads (if that's what you are even talking about), you need to make them normal http/ftp. Believe it or not, some people don't know what bittorrent, metalink, p2p are. (and don't want to find out.)

EDIT: Why does the protosite "look up" slfea.org and "get data" from success-and-career.ch? What's that all about?

tombh · #152 Post by **tombh** » Sat 29 Mar 2008, 10:12

oblivious wrote:EDIT: Why does the protosite "look up" slfea.org and "get data" from success-and-career.ch? What's that all about?

I'd seen that myself and did make me worry for a moment, what with all the virus and hacking that Puppy's websites are used to. Then I remembered that I'd got those tiny little flag images in the banner from random places in Google Images. Basically the images aren't stored on the server and are fetched from different sites all over the world, thus the reason for strange server addresses appearing whilst pages load. Naturally, I will be changing this by using LOF's recommendations of formal flag sets.

nic2109 wrote: In honour of this welcome development I propose that we all talk (and write) like pirates for a while.

Garr! Be fair time me land-lubbers, batten down thar hatches, hoist thar main sail, thar's a storm a-brewing port-side 'n' it's our call to plunder ney those merry winds

oblivious · #153 Post by **oblivious** » Sat 29 Mar 2008, 10:24

Basically the images aren't stored on the server and are fetched from different sites all over the world

Well, I hope they are from "non-dodgy" places - why they have "look up" rather than just load seems strange, and it sat there for an inordinately long time.....

what with all the virus and hacking that Puppy's websites are used to.

Yes, I've gotten to the stage where I just kill the page if I see anything unexpected. The Sri Lankan Foreign Employment Agency qualifies as unexpected

tombh · #154 Post by **tombh** » Sat 29 Mar 2008, 11:10

oblivious wrote:The Sri Lankan Foreign Employment Agency qualifies as unexpected

You're quite right! I've just deleted them.

BarryK · #155 Post by **BarryK** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 00:50

Okay, I've signed up with hostgator.com. My domain puppylinux.com is the primary domain, and I'll be moving over from Servage soon.

As announced earlier in this thread, forum member WhoDo has also signed up with Hostgator, and puppylinux.org will be moved there. Thanks for your generosity WhoDo.

Hey guys, my primary domain is pointing to directory 'public_html', but do you know if it is possible to change that? In Cpanel, I see that additional domains can be set to a particular directory, but there does not seem to be any way to change the directory of the primary domain.
Probably it doesn't matter really, as I suppose the directories of additional domains can be alongside 'public_html', not in it, so there should be no interference ...well, I hope so.

I've signed up for the 'baby' account, but I notice the next one up, 'swamp', has unlimited downloads ...can that really be true?

tombh · #156 Post by **tombh** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 10:14

@Barry: Yes it's nice to have a tidy root directory, it just keeps things consistent. I'd reckon the absolute best way to redirect pupplinux.com to a sub directory would be to get Hostgator to do it for you. Then you'd be using the same method that redirects other parked/addon domains to sub directories (ie. Apache's httpd.conf). But if Hostgator won't do that then I've found that this code in the .htaccess file works --

Code: Select all

# Turn on rewrites.
RewriteEngine on

# Only apply to URLs on this domain
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?puppylinux.com$

# Only apply to URLs that aren't already under folder.
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/puppylinux_folder/

# Don't apply to URLs that go to existing files or folders.
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d

# Rewrite all those to insert /folder.
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /puppylinux_folder/$1

# Also redirect the root folder.
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www.)?puppylinux.com$
RewriteRule ^(/)?$ /puppylinux_folder/index.html [L]

Here is the commentary on the above code.

Apache's Rewrite Module is surprisingly powerful, but its complexity agitates me as I'm never sure of the complete ramifications of using it -- how will it work with subdomains, PHP, future additions, etc. That's a lot of code for something as simple as, what might be called, a symlink!

"Unlimited downloads", mmm, I'm not sure either! To be honest I very much doubt 'unlimited' actually means 'unlimited', maybe they just call our bluff and hope that not too many people really push it to the limits. I wouldn't be surprised either that it comes with certain conditions like, downloaded media has to be connected to HTML files or something like that.

disciple · #157 Post by **disciple** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 10:34

Barry was trying to centre the pages on his new website. By they are all left-aligned in my Firefox - should they be?

nic2109 · #158 Post by **nic2109** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 14:51

tombh wrote:@Barry:

"Unlimited downloads", mmm, I'm not sure either! To be honest I very much doubt 'unlimited' actually means 'unlimited', maybe they just call our bluff and hope that not too many people really push it to the limits. I wouldn't be surprised either that it comes with certain conditions like, downloaded media has to be connected to HTML files or something like that.

As Tom will attest, here in the UK some ISPs advertise "Unlimited downloads!!! (see the small print)" and there in the small print is a "Fair Usage Policy" which allows them plenty of wiggle-room when things get busy.

Bah!

Aitch · #159 Post by **Aitch** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:29

@nic2109

Also taking account of end user's "fair use" policy imposed by ISPs, their "Traffic Shaping" for torrent & p2p use, and "Timeslicing" so that they can oversell available bandwidth

Where I am on evenings or a Sunday afternoon I get c6/700Mb for a 2Gb line speed

And that's quite apart from the increasing use of "virtual servers"

All in all, none too clever, IMHO

Aitch

BarryK · #160 Post by **BarryK** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:58

disciple wrote:Barry was trying to centre the pages on his new website. By they are all left-aligned in my Firefox - should they be?

I gave up on that, because although I got it to work with IE6, it behaves differently than Seamonkey/Firefox. In SM/FF, the centered page stays centered even if big images or reformated long lines of text are displayed -- they just go over the right margin. IE6 on the other hand, moves th entire page to try and keep the most extreme right element -- image or text or whatever as the actual right margin. So, everything pushes over to the left, on top of my vertical menubar.

Then, considering some people might be back on IE5.5 even, I have stayed with CSS absolute positioning -- I think IE5 has basic CSS support.

prit1 · #161 Post by **prit1** » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 17:03

BarryK wrote:I've signed up for the 'baby' account, but I notice the next one up, 'swamp', has unlimited downloads ...can that really be true?

@Barry, I have had unlimited bandwidth specified on my hosting accounts and found that since these are shared hosting, they restricted my resources if they noticed that the network usage affects any other domain hosted on the same server or if it exceeds whatever they think is reasonable. You can contact their customer service and see what they have to say about this.

capoverde · #162 Post by **capoverde** » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 11:15

Have read the first 6 pages of this thread, greatly appreciating Tom's job (real cool!) as well as everyone else's senseful, expert and positive contribution.

Then with sore eyes and little time left, I jumped to the last page since my contribution can't by any means go further than pointing out that the large light-blue paws in the page background still have only 3 toes -- the small black paws at the left of each link are OK with 4 (BTW, the mouse-on dotted underlining is nice but I'd prefer links to be underlined as usual).

Just a consideration: the rather messy and confusing impression given by the intricate overlapping of official Puppy sites actually indicates a lot of pulsating life! Barry's creature runs and plays, and will conquer ever more fans like us because it brings new life in any PC-related activity.

Strong vitality seldom shows up with perfect order: just let it breathe freely, don't educate it too much

cthisbear · #163 Post by **cthisbear** » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 21:36

" Strong vitality seldom shows up with perfect order:
just let it breathe freely, don't educate it too much :wink: "

Amen.

Chris.

tombh · #164 Post by **tombh** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 10:32

Website Update

I've had a few full days to work on the site and there's some new stuff to play with:
Latest News
Screenshots
User Blogs

I've tested out the registration process too and it works, so if anybody would like to register and have a go with those links above that'd be great. I find them easy to use, buts that's because I made them, so if anything isn't very clear I liked to make using the site as straightforward as possible. Oh, all those links have RSS feeds too!

Oli has been very busy on the manuals and is currently working his way through integrating his third one -- the Spanish version of 3.01.

There are have been lots of general bits and bobs added, some of them probably worth mentioning but I can't remember at the moment.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the automatic welcome email template?

Hello !username,

You can now log into puppylinux.org at !login_uri using the following username and password:

username: !username
password: !password

You may also log in by clicking on this link or copying and pasting it in your browser:

!login_url

This is a one-time login, so it can be used only once.

After logging in, you will be redirected to !edit_uri so you can change your password.

-- the pupplinux.org website

#165 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 10:38

@tombh
Is this Barry's site in a new coat?
Is it an own initiative?

I am afraid that different flavors of sites can confuse newbies.

WhoDo · #166 Post by **WhoDo** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 10:50

Béèm wrote:@tombh
Is this Barry's site in a new coat?
Is it an own initiative?

I am afraid that different flavors of sites can confuse newbies.

Barry's site is puppylinux.com and is his own initiative.

The site being developed here is a replacement for the community web site now at puppylinux.org which is under constant attack from hackers. That's why Barry moved and that''s why puppylinux.org is moving.

The object of puppylinux.org is to offer a key web presence so that newbie users don't have to be confused.

And here is a screenshot of the latest version:

HairyWill · #167 Post by **HairyWill** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 11:52

I haven't registered on the new site.

When I go to the latest news page it implies there are comments attached to some of the items, when I click on comments it takes me to a new page but I don't see any comments. It also says there is an RSS feed (excellent) but I don't see an rss icon or feed address.

Tom, a while back you said that wiki accounts would be transferred over automatically from the existing site so it was better not to register if you had a wiki account. Is this still the case? Do you have an approximate timescale for wiki migration?

Is Barry OK with the strapline "Welcome to the Home of Puppy Linux"?

Looks like it is coming together nicely and the manual seems well integrated, well done oli.

#168 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 12:30

Hey Whodo I've been to stevenbinion (a puppy user on here Website) and really like his Xoops setup for downloads, Its really newbee friendly and works well, reminds me a bit like C/Net downloads,

I just wish that the whole puppy repository would be in such detail.
It could use a thumbnail that gives a full-Screen image when clicked, but other than that its really good.
ttuuxxx

oops it was this page
http://tekwolf.net/modules/wfdownloads/ ... .php?cid=1

tombh · #169 Post by **tombh** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 12:46

@HairyWill: Thanks for that, anonymous users can now read comments.

I've just made a new topic about the WIKI migration. As I say in the post I'm planning on doing the WIKI as a separate project, as it were, and so plan on doing it after the website has peaked on its development cycle. However, migrating the users could be done easily and quickly, maybe I will consider doing that soon or ask Prit. I'll look into it and let everyone know as soon as I can.

Anyway for now, it's fine if a couple of people sign up on the new site just to test out the new stuff -- they can always be deleted later.

LOF · #170 Post by **LOF** » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 16:47

tombh wrote:Does anyone have any thoughts on the automatic welcome email template?

Hello !username,

You can now log into puppylinux.org at !login_uri using the following username and password:

username: !username
password: !password

You may also log in by clicking on this link or copying and pasting it in your browser:

!login_url

This is a one-time login, so it can be used only once.

After logging in, you will be redirected to !edit_uri so you can change your password.

-- the pupplinux.org website

I'm assuming that the password being emailed is automatically generated and not user defined? I just hate having my password sent to me.

Also, have the flag icons disappeared that where for the translations. I still get unloaded images in some browsers.

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