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A Beginner's Guide to Installing Puppy
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kylerickards

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jun 2016, 05:47    Post subject:  

Hi peterw

Nope, tried loading both modules but it still refuses to see the wifi aspect - odd as I know it shows up in Mint and when doing lspci... Baffled now, perhaps I will just have to cable it?

Kyle
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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jun 2016, 10:29    Post subject:  

You will get more help if you start a new request in the Beginners section, not by adding to this thread.
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kylerickards

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jun 2016, 11:31    Post subject:  

Apologies, I was engaged with peterw who has been very helpful to me. I didn't realise I had to start a new thread.

Kyle
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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Jul 2016, 16:19    Post subject: Frugal vs, Full Install  

I've posted to this “Sticky” In the hope that you've jumped to the end of this thread in order to get the latest word.

You may be trying Puppy Linux on the recommendation of a friend or a post on some website. Regardless of how you've come here, you may not appreciate the distinction between a Frugal and a Full Install. Except as noted below, Frugal Installs are recommended.

Frugal does not mean “cheap”, “partial” or any other dismissive term. The alternate adjective of Frugal is “Co-existent” meaning that it can exist on the same drive/partition as any other operating system. It is “frugal” only in that it uses less disk space and does not require its own partition.

Puppy Linux started as an operating system you ran from a CD. Its evolution into a Frugal Install on a hard-drive (later a USB-Stick) and most of the developments and improvements regarding how Puppy Linux operates have been to preserve, enhance and take advantage of the distinction between Storage Media –initially the CD-- and Random Access Memory –the media in which changes initially take place.

All those enhancements and advantages are lost in a Full Install. Rather than recount them in their entirely, I suggest that you read –skip to the end if you like-- "Remove automatic pupsave for frugal installs", http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81911 and “Keep your savefile slim and healthy”, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62110 – and scan the many posts you'll find on the Beginner's Section and elsewhere suggesting to those who did a “Full Install” that the problems they encountered would have been avoided by a “Frugal Install”.

The only exceptions to the Frugal Install recommendation are computers having less than 512 Mbs of Random Access Memory, or those manufactured before 2008 –give or take a couple of years-- having low-spec single core CPUs.

With a Frugal Install, on bootup of the system and the opening and use of applications Puppies read the files in the compressed files on Storage and copy them into RAM. For a fuller discussion see, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=862192#862192. Those operations employ the CPU and takes up some RAM. With low-spec computers, that may show up as significant delays in operations.

With over 512 Mbs of RAM and/or a reasonably powerful CPU, such delays are measured in mico-seconds. You won't notice them. And with less than 512 Mbs of RAM, it is doubtful whether you can ever obtain satisfactory performance from any Puppy (except DebianDogs) created in the last couple of years.

Of course, Puppies can still be run from CD/DVDs. I've been discussing “installs”. Running Puppies from a CD/DVD has sufficient unique advantages that many seasoned Puppy-Users prefer it to installation of any type. Something for you to investigate and consider.

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Pelo

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov 2016, 06:20    Post subject: mikeslr explanations are worth a translation  

mikeslr explanations are worth a translation in all languages of the Puppy World Smile for Beginners In English speaking.
Perhaps i should be allowed to translate them to french, right here ?

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seguinvegan

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Jan 2017, 14:25    Post subject:  

Hello. I have Precise Puppy 5.7.1. installed and almost all working on partitioned ext3 drive after changing it from ext4. My problem is that I can only get a network connection from booting from the usb install drive os. I am using it now with the usb drive key in drive, but when I reboot and take it out, and then go to the network wizard, I can't refresh to find available networks because all of the buttons are greyed out and unusable. I did get an alert that says that I did not set up my network and it is undetectable.

I started a thread at:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=594297284&t=109500

and I figured many whom might have pearls of wisdom would have autoreply alerts for other threads, thus posting here.

FYI, I have a windows background and am new to Puppy and am determined to make this work. My laptop is a Dell D820 Latitiude.

Thank you for your time.
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frankhatton

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Mar 2017, 22:45    Post subject: Re: A Beginner's Guide to Installing Puppy
Subject description: Please wait, copying files from .iso file...
 

My computer is in the process of loading puppy onto a flash drive so that I can install puppy onto the hard drive. It has the message Please wait, copying files from .iso file...on the desktop How long will this take? It has been 12 hours up to now.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Mar 2017, 22:50    Post subject:  

Welcome Frank.

Whatever you've got going on, STOP! and try one of the methods here.

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Pelo

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Sep 2017, 08:24    Post subject: 12 hours to transfer 200mb, something is wrong..  

Evil or Very Mad semme, ISOBOOter is for Old and expert linux people.
12 hours to transfer 200mb, something is wrong.. format it again, or try another one.
Some of us use Lili Live usb creator , that was my tool, when i was a true beginner wits USBs. They are different ones, but this one works well and is nicely decorated.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Sep 2017, 13:04    Post subject: Easiest way to install to a "Windows" computer  

Hi All,

So, you've got a Windows computer and want to install your first "Puppy". If your computer does not use the UEFI boot mechanism --now standard if your computer came with Windows 10+, probably present if it came with Windows 8+, and may be present if it came with Windows 7-- one of the easiest way is to install into Windows one of the exe files you'll find here: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Windows_Installer. Thanks as77 for providing the link and, especially, ally for maintaining the archive.

Run it, and when asked, select "Frugal Install". See here why, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=910423#910423.

If you're not sure which "exe" to pick, select Puppy_slacko593.exe.* Slacko593 is my 'work-horse'. It pretty much runs on any computer. If you have lots of RAM and a powerful CPU it will make use of them (within the limits of a 32-bit system); but it will provide far better performance than Windows on computers having only 512 Mbs of RAM. Time enough, later, to do some research, try out a couple Puppies which may be "better/newer" and find out which is the best Puppy for your computer. For example, look here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=968186#968186. Or better yet, post to that thread providing information about your computer, see here, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=739618#739618, and ask for recommendations. Posting to a thread will take it to the top of the Subforum. I know it seems odd, but to post to a thread, you click the "Reply" button. The "New Topic" button starts a new thread.

Once you have one Puppy running, it's a piece of cake to add another using the tools built into every Puppy. As mentioned in the above link regarding Frugal installs, one of their advantages is that they are run from folders/directories: they do not require an entire partition.

If you have a computer which does use the UEFI boot mechanism, you'll find on the Puppy_Linux_Windows_Installer webpage the Windows8Readme.txt. It provides simple, but very general, information. This post, and the posts it links to, will provide other possibilities and specific instructions. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=858159#858159

mikesLr

* You'll also find exe versions of Tahrpup6.0Ce (pae and Non-pae). Some computers can not access more than 4 Gb of RAM and a regular (pae) built won't run on them 'out of the box' and for some pre-2004 +/- computers, at all. Tahrpup 6.0Ce was an early build. While it did work, over the next two years various improvements were made. Currently, the last of the Tarhpup series is 6.0.5. If there had been a Tahrpup605.exe, I would have recommended it rather than Slacko593. See this post, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=968302#968302 and the posts of others on that thread.
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madscijr

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Nov 2017, 11:13    Post subject:  location of latest puppy ISOs for major versions?
Subject description: need help, the download page seems to not have been updated since 2015...?
 

I discovered Puppy Linux around 2013, I downloaded a few versions which I mainly run off of jump drives:
* Wary Puppy 5.5
* Precise 5.7.1 retro
* Puppy Slacko 5.9.3 (which I believe came as Puppy Arcade)
* MacPup 5.5
* Puppy 5.2.8 Lucid

I haven't done any updating in some time (like 2014) but when I go to the download page
http://puppylinux.org/main/Download%20Latest%20Release.htm
it looks as though it hasn't been updated in a couple of years.

Would someone please point me to the latest versions (ISOs) for the above flavors (if they are even still being maintained) or the equivalent? I mainly use "precise retro" and "wary".

If possible please include links or the names of the exact ISO files, because I have googled around and am finding download sites with all sorts of variants and subfolders, that are very confusing to make sense of.

Thanks and much appreciated!
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