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markofealing

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Mar 2010, 16:49    Post subject:  Instructions on how to do Frugal install on a new hard disk  

I've just written a step by step 'How to...' entry in my Linux blog on how I successfully did a Frugal installation on a Dell Latitude PIII 500 with 512Mb RAM.

http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/how-to-do-a-frugal-puppy-linux-4-3-1-install-to-a-new-hard-disk/

Hope you all find it useful.
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Rockfella

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar 2010, 15:11    Post subject:  

Can puppy linux be installed within windows like we can install ubuntu?
TIA.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar 2010, 15:36    Post subject:  

Quote:
Can puppy linux be installed within windows like we can install ubuntu


If you already have a grub then it is easy to add puppy in frugal install. That is almost the same as wubi install in windows. if you have xp then it is easy. Vista and Win7 is a bit tougher but works too.

Wubi is made for Ubuntu.

but maybe. you could do a Unetbootin frugal install using the unetbootin program. The developer of it named tuxcantfly worked on wubi for a long time but later abandon it and started to do the unetbootin and that works rather similar on a HDD.

I tried it once on my windows Vista machine and it sure worked but sadly on my machine it also locked the program unetbootin to only be used for that purpose so I uninstalled it and used manual frugal install instead using Neogrub which is very close to Grub4DOS way of doing booting.

I guess you have a greater chance to get help if you start a new thread about your personal needs.

One way you could use wubi is to let it install ubuntu and then uninstall it and make use of the grub menu.lst if it leave it behind but that seems a long workaround when you can use unetbootin or neogrub instead.

http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/NeoGrub

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

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babaguy


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Apr 2010, 18:51    Post subject: Troubles With Full Install...
Subject description: One Click Installer Freezing at the end of the install...
 

Dear All -

I found Puppy Linux when searhing for an OS to install onto an old HP Omnibook -5 Gig hard drive, PIII processor - I love the look and feel of Puppy - I made a CD which works all right, but it will not create a Pup File upon closing, so each time I boot with the CD is like the first time, no data saved - I *had* put Xubuntu on this machine previously (over-writing Windows '9Cool , but it was completely unwieldy, and eventually it would not boot properly.
I tried the One Click Installer, which downloaded all right and asked me to eject the CD and re-boot - I could not get the CD ejected...Upon shutting the machine down, re-booting and removing the CD at boot, I got an error message about "file 15" and the machine won't boot -
I decided that maybe with Xubuntu messing up, that the hard drive needed to be REALLY re-formatted, so I Zero'd it from the command line into 1 Mb blocks, and have just tried again to use the One Click Installer - Again, unable to eject or unmount the CD, and the entire machine froze up at a message about "updating the PetFile Manager" (i think...) -
After several minutes, I shut it down, removed the CD at boot - the first two attempts to re-boot the machine reverted to a 'crashed' version of the screen with all the programs locked up - 3rd time it DID start to boot, but only went to grub command line and I really don't know any grub commands (despite making a search...
I'd REALLY like to have Puppy installed on this little machine - but I am having real difficulty discerning which bits of advice/information I ought to apply - ALSO, when I have tried to use the PUI and specified the hard drive, it replies with a statement that this process has not been done yet - and nothing more, no other options offered...
Any help installing Puppy on this laptop would be GRATEFULLY received - meanwhile, I will try to RTFM as much as I can...Thanks in advance!
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babaguy


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Apr 2010, 20:32    Post subject: RE: Troubles with Full Install...
Subject description: Success.....? (I Hope so!)
 

Dear All -
Having RTFM'd the excellent "How To Do A Frugal Puppy Linux Install..." I went back and MORE OR LESS followed all the steps provided, and it looks like Puppy is installed on the hard drive.
HERE ARE THE WAYS MY PROCESS DIFFERED from the stated method:
1) My Puppy version is 4.2, not the newer one specified due to the age of this HP Omnibook...
2) I chose "Full Install" rather than "Frugal" because that is what I preferred, after all...
3) I could not find any " /tmp/NEWGRUBTEXT " files anywhere on the system, either through Edit or through the Puppy Drive Mounter, so in the end I just trusted that actually editing the command lines of the Grub sequence might not be necessary in this earlier version of Puppy...(so far so good...)
4) The LIVE CD would not eject when re-booting (eeek!), but responded when I pressed the button on the drive as the system "hung" on a line of PINK text stating "Boot will be faster next time!" - The machine continued to boot from what must be the hard drive and I'm now connected to the net (but typing this from a more reliable machine beside my newly rescued Puppy from the Old Laptop 'Pound') so I'm crossing my fingers and it looks like all is well.....I've amazed myself ! THANKS TO THE LONDON MAN WHOSE LINUX RAMBLINGS ARE COGENT AND SO HELPFUL! ! ! ! ! ! !
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PeacebyJesus

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jun 2010, 08:39    Post subject:  

In case another person like me looks here due to a no-Windows-Puppy install not working, when you run the installer use the option to format the Windows NTFS drive first to ext2 or ext3, then use the full install.
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xstation

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Jun 2010, 11:35    Post subject: gparted
Subject description: how to set up on 8gigs of hd
 

Please tell how to install useing gparted
there is a root partition
ok i need to know the basic layout

thankyou

xstation Very Happy
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computer123

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul 2010, 18:12    Post subject:  

A frugal install just copies the three files from the CD to your hard drive as they are. Each method has its own advantages, which we won't discuss now. For beginners, a frugal install is easiest - simply because it duplicates the way that the Live CD works. (A more detailed comparison of full versus frugal is provided at the end of the article.)

How can i do this? I DONT WANT TO LOSE ANY FILES AFTER I RESTART MY COMPUTER. PLEASE HELP ME HERE.

I just want the computer to start and load puppy, i dont want go though installation again and again Crying or Very sad and lose everything.
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maxpro4u


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
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Location: Rittman,Ohio,USA, In dog years,I'm dead

PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul 2010, 21:15    Post subject:  

Don't use a cd-use a usb drive-eveything will be saved then-when you shut down-it will ask "do you want to create a pupsave file?"
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computer123

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul 2010, 22:15    Post subject:  

t seems that i may have fixed the problem. On my way shut down, i clicked saved file so it saved all my previous work i did before shutting off. I would like to change my default browser, this puppy version of mozzila firefox doesn't have the book mark way was on regular firefox. Although i can't do it becuase i click on earth icon(browse) and it doesn't ask me to change my browse, it just opens puppy one
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maxpro4u


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Location: Rittman,Ohio,USA, In dog years,I'm dead

PostPosted: Thu 08 Jul 2010, 00:27    Post subject:  

right-click on the browse icon file/open as text, change to
#!/bin/sh
exec firefox "$@"
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Dawn

Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jul 2010, 03:07    Post subject:  

I expected the installation of "Lucid Puppy" to be something like my experience with Ubuntu and Debian. With those previous linux distributions after I ran the installation from a CD, I could remove the CD and reboot.

This was not the case with Lucid Puppy. After I ran (what I thought was) the installation, it seemed that the whole Operating System was in RAM and when I rebooted I found that the previous installed OS on the hard drive came up.

The next thing I did was this. After I installed Lucid Puppy, I ran a suggested setup routine which seemed to be successful. The final screen said this:
Code:

GRUB INSTALL SUCCESS
==================
GRUB was successfully installed on the MBR of
/dev/sda.  You should check and edit the
'/boot/grub/menu.lst' file on 'dev/sda1', if
needed.  You may want to change the
location 'boot/umlinuz', and/or options
passed to any Linux kernal listed there.


What should I do and how do I do it?

Now when I reboot I get a blue menu that looks like this:

Code:
Linux (on /dev/sda1)
Install GRUB to floppy disk (on /dev/fd0)
Install GRUB to Linux partition (on /dev/sda1)
-  For help press 'c', then type: 'help'
-  For usage examples, type: 'cat /boot/grub/usage.txt

At the bottm of the screen there are suggestions how to edit files. Unix and Linux is new to me. I hope I can get some direction here with better experienced people.

I would think that installing any software would cause that installation to be placed on the users hard drive. I would expect that that would be the defaut option and doing otherwise might be diffiicult or impossible.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jul 2010, 08:09    Post subject:  

You may have better luck with the install method discussed here.
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happy37

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Aug 2010, 04:54    Post subject:  

Hello everyone.....

First post here....am a complete novice and first time user with Puppy Linux, so would appreciate some advice. Question

To start with, I am trying to install and use Puppy Linux on a CD or USB stick so that I can use the program to flash my Netgear router with some custom firmware.

I have tried to do the steps below - I have burnt a copy of the .iso file of Puppy to a CD and then booted the PC from the disc.

The CD booted up into Puppy immediately, but there was an option to press F2 - should I have pressed this to get more options or not?

I then let Puppy do its thing, and it scanned the PC for the connected USB Corsair Voyager flash drive for the files for the firmware flash. When this was done, the screen then came up with a list of white lines on a black screen scrolling down the page. Once this finished, the screen went blank, and then I waited for the next screen to appear. Nothing happened..........

AFAIK, both of my PCs cannot or do not have the options to boot from a USB stick, so can I get Puppy to boot from a CD and flash the firmware in that manner instead?

Should the firmware flash files have been on the CD as well as the Puppy distro? - if yes, then how do I configure Puppy ton install from the CD and also add the firmware flash files on there at the same time?

If this cannot be achieved, then would it be easier for me to use WakePup/WakePup2 instead and the floppy drive method?

So, what have I done wrong, or not done, or can do differently to make this work, please?

Thanks in advance for any comments and advice. Smile

Regards

happy37
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cthisbear

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
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Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Wed 04 Aug 2010, 06:57    Post subject:  

Welcome to Puppy happy37.

Priorities in any forum.

Your PCs hardware.
You have two >> list them both.

Your Puppy version ... is it

Puppy 4.3.1
Lucid Puppy 5....must give us the particular one
as many Lucid Pups have been uploaded.

Do not boot with the USB in.
When you come to the desktop you can pop it in
when Puppy finishes booting.

Here is a quick How to 4 Puppy 4.3.1

http://help.artaro.eu/index.php/windows-vista/troubleshooting-windows-vista/recover-files-from-hard-disk-vista.htmll

from here.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57969

Read the first one...shows Puppy boot pics.
And get back to us.

Make sure that your file size was downloaded correctly.

Image burn is here...4 Windows
Small >> no setup >> do not update.
Never burn faster than 32 Speed.

ISO Burners –Windows.

I do not burn ISO files faster than 32 Speed.
For really old computers even slower

ImgBurn..ready to go…no install…do not update

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-b558b1b9.html

http://www.imgburn.com

File: ImgBurn.exe Size: 1.53 MB

Plus>>>

BurnCDCC...small..fast…69kb zip

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/burncdcc.zip

Goodluck...Chris.
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