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JB4x4

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jun 2008, 19:22    Post subject:  

@Barry

This is in regards to the "icon stacking" I found when inserting my USB key. I had this happening when I was running my screens native resolution of 1440x900. I switched it to 1024x768 and everything worked fine (I did have to move the sda and sdb icons as they were almost off of the desktop when I restarted X).

Hope this helps,
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capoverde


Joined: 28 Jun 2006
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Location: Sanremo (Italy) with fine seaview

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jun 2008, 06:12    Post subject:  

First test of Puppy 4.1 Alpha2 with pfix=ram.

OK with: boot, video (1280x1024 XVesa), USB mouse and PS2 keyboard, sound, ADSL cable network connection + browsing, audio and video streaming, wallpaper and clock setting, icon switching, mounting/unmounting drives - only hitch for now is the overlapping of drive icons, which now appear immediately with all other icons; just the topscreen message for first-time help, with associated double-bark, doesn't appear till after restarting X, as on previous "4" versions (not even after setting new wallpaper and icon type).
PMount still lists drive sda after drive sdb.

Asrock 775i65GV MoBo with Celeron 2800, 512MB RAM, 2 PATA 80GB drives.

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NathanO

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Location: San Antonio, TX

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jun 2008, 07:47    Post subject:  

Barry,

You say on your blog that you will not have full SCSI support, what do you mean?

My tower has both IDE and SCSI drives as well as a SCSI PCMCIA adapter that have worked thru 3.x series and 4.0.
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tronkel


Joined: 30 Sep 2005
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Location: Vienna Austria

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jun 2008, 11:06    Post subject:  

Just tried 4.02alpha on my wife's HP Compaq nx6110 laptop, 500MB RAM, 2-3 years old.

Runs very fast, wireless fine, video restricted to 1024 x 768, sound OK. Running from live CD.

In common with other Puppy 4 versions, it occasionally exits to a black screen on shutdown. This has also happened on the Classmate PC as well.

Prehistoric has reported something similar in Chihuahua and has not as yet fully solved it. This problem has been around for a while in recent versions.

There is a 168MB sfs file loaded via unionfs. I wonder if the problem could be caused by the sfs file not being unmounted properly.

I'll try this with layerfs=aufs and see what that does.

edit: oops no - no aufs in 4.02Alpha

Anyone else had this problem?

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dogone


Joined: 21 Apr 2008
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Location: Arizona, USA

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jun 2008, 12:56    Post subject: Alpha 2 drive management need work  

I've found drive handling in Alpha2 much less intuitive than in 4.00.

In 400:
- each partition ("drive") receives an icon.
- clicking an icon mounts the partition and opens ROX.
- closing ROX offers the unmount option (could be configurable)

In 402:
- drive icons represent physical devices, not logical ones (as in Windows).
- users have to "deal" with mounting/unmounting partitions.
- clicking a partition icon opens Pmount, not the partition.
- icon context menu lacks an unmount option

402 takes a big leap backwards by requiring the user to understand mounting and the distinction between drives and partitions. Windows addresses both (effectively, not intelligently).

Suggestions for 4.1 final:
- mimic 400's Hotplug behavior with enhancements.
- employ Event Manager.
- permit access to drives via a tray icon or icon drawer.
- permit user to disable unmount dialog at ROX close.
- permit user to assign persistent drive/partition labels.
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tronkel


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jun 2008, 18:06    Post subject:  

Here are a few problems I found when testing 4.02alpha

On attempting to install to usb stick, universal installer fails with message that it cannot see the device - even although it was in fact plugged in. This was on the HP laptop nx6110. Also had a frozen black screen at shutdown.

Classmate PC can't see WLAN0. If the rt73 module is then manually loaded, then the wireless interface does become visible. The hotspot is then detected OK and DHCP seems to claim to bring the interface up with an IP address, but in fact the interface is dead. Black screen is intermittently a problem here too. This version of the rt73 usb driver appears to be the fault here. Not included in the the latest module set maybe in the pup-402.sfs?

Better news - my old compaq PC now has sound and Skype working. Also now retains the ALSA configuration after reboot.

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JustGreg

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jun 2008, 19:37    Post subject:
Subject description: Test Results for wifi and rt73usb driver
 

I have tried Puppy 4.1 alpha #2 on three systems:
1. my desktop, Cybernet ZPC-9000,
2. Intel Classmate (Generation 1),
3. 2goPC (Classmate Generation 2).

On the desktop, I did a manual frugal installation to ext2 partition on the hard disk by copying from the CD iso. Rebooted and Puppy 4.1 alpha started up. I checked and found the new rt73usb drivers were installed. I first tried the wifi connection scripts that I used to test Dingo-test with kernel 2.6.25 (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29205). They worked and I was able to connect to my wpa2 encrypted network. I rebooted in Puppy 4.1 alpha2 to try network wizard. It did work after setting ap to wpa_supplicant, but, after defining the profile and trying to use, the network wizard said it was unable to connect. It did a network scan and said a network was found and one could get IP address. Auto DHCP did work and there was a network
connection to the wpa2 network.

I tried to do an installation to a USB flash drive to be used with the other two systems with the desktop machine installation. I plugged the USB flash drive in and saw its icon on the desktop. I check to see what files were present on it by mounting it. I deleted the files and unmounted it. When I used the universal installer, the universal installer could not find the USB flash drive. It was not possible to start the installation. I did a manual installation using Syslinux (no problems) and copying the needed files from the CDROM with Puppy 4.1 alpha #2. I now had my usb flash drive to test on the other two version of the Classmate. Both versions have the same wireless
and mouse hardware.

Using the 2goPC (Classmate Generation 2), I booted the usb flash drive. The normal setup occurred. When configuring xorg for video, the wizard presented many multiple conditions rather than just the normal 800x480. I selected 800x600 and xorg started normally. The screen display was fine. I check with "HardInfo" and found the display was set to 800x48. I had to manually load the rt73usb driver, the wifi hardware was not found initially. I tried the network wizard and connected with the same problem (wpa reported not found, but was available) as above. I was able to connect to google.com to check the network.

I used an external USB CD R/W drive to boot the Classmate. It booted and xorg setup correctly only had 800x480 resolution for the display. After manually loading the rt73usb wifi driver, I could not get the Classmate with either the network wizard or my scripts to connect to my wpa2 wifi network. I will have to do some more testing.

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capoverde


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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jun 2008, 08:45    Post subject:  

Same problem as reported by tronkel and JustGreg: trying to install Puppy to an SD card with the Universal Installer, the card gets not detected (message "Nothing to choose. If a plugin device, did you plug it in?"). However, Pmount sees it and it can be mounted, read and written to, so a manual install should work.
Puppy 4 Dingo installed OK to an SD card with the Univ. Installer.
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JustGreg

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Location: Connecticut USA

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jun 2008, 14:00    Post subject:
Subject description: More on Intel Classmate Testing
 

I got a chance to test some more with the Intel Classmate. With Puppy alpha 2, the Intel Classmate can not connect to a network that is open (i.e. no encryption). I tried doing from the command line using iwconfig commands, no luck. It fails to associate, even with server ap address.

I also tried with Dingo test (kernel 2.6.25), which has worked in the past. With a wpa2 encrypted network, I could connect. Using wpa_cli in a console window, I notice there was a cycle of a disconnect event / authenicate / connect. The connection would stay for about a minute and the cycle would start again. The disconnect event said 4 way handshake failed. I do not have a clue of what to do next.

I hope this helps.

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dogone


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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jun 2008, 16:01    Post subject: Excessive CD spin-up at boot  

This one's for Barry.
My NEC CD/DVD drive spins up excessively while loading Puppy 400 (final). It spins up to a slightly lower rate while loading Alpha 2 (different kernel). The noise is annoying in both cases.

Here's the kicker. The drive spins slowly and silently while booting Puppy 4 NOP r1. Loading is just as fast but completely silent.

What's Grey's secret? Let's find out and implement it in the next alpha. Please?
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boscobearbank


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Location: MN

PostPosted: Sun 08 Jun 2008, 09:52    Post subject:  

Averatec 3250 laptop (Ralink rt2500 wireless) glitch - wireless card was properly detected. Internet Connection Wizard claimed to have made a successful connection, but, in actuality, failed Crying or Very sad . I unloaded rt2500pci and its dependencies, reloaded them, then re-executed the Internet Connection Wizard. Success Very Happy - I'm posting from it now.
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dogone


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PostPosted: Sun 08 Jun 2008, 12:56    Post subject: Puppy should default to saving user data
Subject description: Periodic save from RAM setting should not be 0 (never)
 

I'd like some feedback on this one..
Puppy Event Manager v4 Alpha2 defaults to "never" (0) saving RAM to the pup_save file. I'm not comfortable with this default. Unless I'm mistaken, default to "never" means the user's data is not saved during a session until/unless she discovers this option in Event Manager or performs a manual save. I feel Puppy ought assume neither will happen and default to periodic saves.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Jun 2008, 13:07    Post subject: One Pmount preference cleared everytime Pmount restarts  

A small problem with Pmount in v4 Alpha2. The "Tick for Pmount to quit after mount/unmount" option is cleared when Pmount quits/restarts.
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Everitt

Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Location: Leeds,UK or Birmingham, UK

PostPosted: Sun 08 Jun 2008, 13:15    Post subject: Re: Puppy should default to saving user data
Subject description: Periodic save from RAM setting should not be 0 (never)
 

dogone wrote:
I'd like some feedback on this one..
Puppy Event Manager v4 Alpha2 defaults to "never" (0) saving RAM to the pup_save file. I'm not comfortable with this default. Unless I'm mistaken, default to "never" means the user's data is not saved during a session until/unless she discovers this option in Event Manager or performs a manual save. I feel Puppy ought assume neither will happen and default to periodic saves.

Data will always be saved at shutdown too.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Jun 2008, 13:16    Post subject: Puppy installer not detecting USB flash drives  

I can confirm Tronkel's observation. Puppy Universal Installer is not detecting attached flash sticks.
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