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craftybytes


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2008, 21:29    Post subject:  

@oli -

Is there a "Users Manual" for the 'TinyMCE' used to edit the Puppy Manual.?

I did an edit in the Puppy 4 manual - BUT - somehow it stuffed up the formatting of the page..DOH..!

Also - can one do a 'revert' back to the original page - e.g.. undo the edits..?

I'm finding out that one has to be extremely careful with how one undertakes any editing steps in this TinyMCE package.

WYSIWYG is not necessarily fully accurate..!!

I just hope I have not bitten off more than I can chew - proverbialy..

Any help much appreciated..

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 01:59    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello oli Very Happy

Well, I took a shot at WLAN under "connecting to the internet". Please review and tell
me how it looks. Any pointers will be gladly appreciated. Very Happy

Also a question?? What is the Sandbox, and how do I use it??
Is it a test area???

I still need to work on my text formatting I know.. Embarassed
Hey, I`m new at this!!! Confused

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 02:11    Post subject:  

@craftybytes: ... that's why I advised to make some exercise at the sandbox first. Perhaps Tom or me can repair the page. Please let us know what is wrong now with the English manual. Don't get discouraged, everyone can make a mistake.

I don't have a "Users Manual" for the TinyMCE.

@puppyluvr: The sandbox is a test area. Besides you / we can prepare the next manual in a closed area where a normal user cannot see it until you / we move it to the publish area.

Your new page looks very good. I will make a test of WLAN with a friend of mine at Friday. Afterwards I will add a WLAN-page too. So I can copy your page to the German manual and make some adaptation if necessary.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 02:38    Post subject:  

Thanks oli..

I checked out the 'sandbox' section - no "English" manual access from there - so then did the edits to the actual 'English' manual..

As to the page I stuffed up - well it was really only to do with the format layout of the page - so I went back and 'fixed' it - but I think there is still a couple of little formatting errors on the page..

The page in question:
In the - 'How to make a backup' - 'Backup with rsync' page..

After doing some googling re "tinyMCE" - I think I may be able to fix this slight problem myself - if not I'll give either you or Tom a yell..

Re the 'sandbox' - is there any way to open up the "English" manual in the sandbox - do whatever editing - then save it - before it gets moved to the public area.?

Can't see how to open up the relevant manual in the sandbox..?

TIA.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 03:42    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello Very Happy

@ Oli,
Thanks Very Happy I still need to add a few images, because I think they are key to
"newbie friendlyness", and any changes / suggestions are greatly appreciated. Smile

Also, the screenshots are from Embarassed 3.98, and I havnt yet gotten 4.00 final so I hope they apply!!

OK must sleep now as is 2.45 am here!! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 08:25    Post subject:  

puppyluvr,

The basis of a good manual is that what is written is not based on hope - but can be trusted!

Painful though it is you should check everything you write by doing what you write. Then you rewrite it to correct the errors found from the experience!

Get yourself a copy of Puppy 4.

My intention here is not to be critical but to provide advice. I know how difficult it is to devote time to writing and applaud you and craftybytes for stepping up to the plate.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 08:44    Post subject:  

@craftybytes: You can't open the manual in the sandbox. Either the manual is at the publish area or it is in the sandbox. And because the main chapters like how to run and install Puppy 4.0 are finished I decided to move the English manual out of the sandbox into the publish area. So everything you change is for real.

In the sandbox you can try out what you want to do with the manual. For example you can copy the html-code of the manual page and paste it into a page of the sandbox. Then you try out and when everything is alright you copy the html-code back into the manual.

@puppyluvr: Please use Puppy 4.0 when you add or edit a page to/of the Puppy 4.0 manual. There are many changes from release to release. Only if the layout (e.g. colour) is different I sometimes keep the old screenshot (because it is a question of time and importance).
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 10:15    Post subject:  

Very Happy Oli

Will upgtade my Dingo asap from 3.98 to 4.00. Been ueing 3.98 for a while, and didnt
think there was any significant difference from 4.00.
I will go thru it again in 4.00 step by step like I did in 3.98 to see if the screenshots remain the same and change any that may be different. Embarassed
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My intention here is not to be critical but to provide advice.

I know, and it is very much appreciated, so please DO be critical as it is important to me to do this the best that I can. Very Happy

@ Edit. Upgraded to 4.00 and went thru the process again, but I dont see any differences from 3.98 in the screenshots, so will leave them.
All future posting will be from 4.00. Thank You.. Cool

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 11:46    Post subject:  

First, thank you for stepping up to the plate in this project.

puppyluvr wrote:
Very Happy <snip> Very Happy <snip> Very Happy <snip>

suggestions are greatly appreciated

<snip> Smile <snip> Embarassed <snip> Rolling Eyes<snip>


Suggestion #1 - Please ease up on the emoticons. This isn't AOL ...

Quote:
...so I hope they apply!!


Suggestion #2 - Don't hope. Make certain. An important key to successful editing is consistent attention to detail.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 12:03    Post subject:  

Eagle eyed proof readers, reading the manual itself would be very helpful.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jun 2008, 12:26    Post subject:  

@alienjeff

Sorry, I didnt know the smileys were so annoying, I will attempt to refrain.
Suggestion #2 - Don't hope. Make certain.
@ I have now made certain that there are no difference`s between
3.98 and 4.00 as far as the screenshots of WLAN setup are
concerned. I had truely forgotten I was on 3.98 until I had finished
and really had to sleep, so I figured I`d D/L 4.00 and check the next
morning, which I did.
@ Of course Ive read the 4.00 manual, (translated from German),
hence my choice of a section that was unfinished in either language
while using the 3.01 and 4.00 manuals as stylistic reference, to
(hopefully) maintain consistency, for the ease of the end user..

@ Well, I did ask for criticism, didnt I ?? Keep it up!! I just want to do the best job
I can, for the benefit of the end user, and for Puppy...

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun 2008, 00:08    Post subject:  

@HairyWill -
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Eagle eyed proof readers, reading the manual itself would be very helpful.


Yep - that is what I'm doing to start with - giving the whole Manual the once over to see if there is any spelling or mistranslations that need fixing - then I'll get more daring and try my hand with one or two of the sections that maybe need more elaboration for clarity..

Hopefully in my stumbles through the editing mash I don't misconstrue the concepts behind the use of Puppy and write something incorrectly or out of context..

Anyway I'm just happy to give something back to Puppy..

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun 2008, 04:22    Post subject: Re: Reporting for duty
Subject description: Maintenance of the English Puppy manual
 

alexthedragon wrote:
I will be happy to help with the English manual and I might even get the time to do a Danish one, though I might need a extra pair of hands for that one.

@Alex,
Sorry it has taken a couple of days to reply to this, your offer has forced us to think quite carefully about how things are organised.

The short response is that puppyluvr and craftybytes would be happy to have you work with them on the manual and I will change the status of your account on puppylinux.org. Welcome aboard.

Because you have not previously had a presence in the puppy community I am sure you can appreciate that there was a trust issue involved in granting you access to edit. This has forced the site admins to carefully consider how we can best facilitate contributions.

@all editors/translators
As the manual is in wiki format the role translator now has very similar rights to that of any registered user except that ordinary users cannot modify the manual. The revision tab should allow translators to revert back to earlier versions of a page and page deletion rights have been removed so it should now be impossible for a translator to irrevocably delete someone else's work. (If you find a way to do so, please let Tom know so that it can be tightened up). Hopefully the guaranteed ability to revert is more valuable than the ability to delete. Should you need to delete a page then please ask an admin, (raffy, hairywill, WhoDo, tombh, lobster, oli, prit)

I have also created a page which displays recent manual edits
http://www.puppylinux.org/manual_recentness
this also has an rss feed associated with it
http://www.puppylinux.org/manual_recentness/feed

any problems, please shout

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun 2008, 04:53    Post subject:  

Thanks Will..

Now that that has been sorted - I think it be time for us new 'maintainers/translators' to now get together and discuss our personal approaches and our perceived priorities towards editing the Manual - more for coordination purposes..

Should this be done in this particular thread or should we open a new topic to follow through..?

And if a new topic - still in this forum or in the sub-forum "Documentation Project" - as any ongoing queries / discussions are related to the Manual (thus 'documentation')..?

TIA.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun 2008, 08:58    Post subject:  

Hello,
@ When I go to the site and log in all is well. But if I go to the "Manual" tab it automatically logs me out. If I re-log-in again it navigates me away from the manual page, and when I attempt to return to the manual it logs me out again!! The wiki page..ect..doesnt do this, just the manual page.The edit button is there, but I cannot
input text as it says im not logged in. Have I been revoked???
Too many smileys in my posts perhaps????LOL

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Now that that has been sorted - I think it be time for us new 'maintainers/translators' to now get together and discuss our personal approaches and our perceived priorities towards editing the Manual - more for coordination purposes..


I agree Crafty, do you use Gizmo??? A great way for us all to "chat together"

@Oli, I notice missing pages in the 301 manual, are we also free to add to/edit
the 301 manual as well???

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