 |
Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com "THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in|
The time now is Tue 21 May 2013, 02:41 All times are UTC - 4 |
 Forum index » Taking the Puppy out for a walk » Announcements |
|
Alpha 5 of Puppy 4.1
Moderators: Flash, Ian, JohnMurga |
 
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Page 1 of 3 [31 Posts] | Goto page: 1, 2, 3 Next |
| Author | Message | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Lobster
Official Crustacean  Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm |
Alpha 5 of Puppy 4.1 for testers http://tmxxine.com/wik/wikka.php?wakka=PuppyDingo41 Click on Alpha 5 it takes you here Index of /pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/test/puppy-4.1alpha5 download this file: puppy-4.0.5-seamonkey.iso NB: For testing and developers - not for general usage wait for the Beta releases for that _________________ Puppy WIKI Last edited by Lobster on Fri 01 Aug 2008, 06:06; edited 2 times in total |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
 |
|||||||||||||
Sit Heel Speak
 Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 2595 Location: downwind |
Where's the zdrv for it? |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
BarryK
Puppy Master  Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 6855 Location: Perth, Western Australia |
There is no zdrv. This pup is built with all modules in the pup_405.sfs file. That's how it will be from now on, or in the initrd. _________________ http://bkhome.org/blog2/ |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila |
Yes, a new approach to booting in 4.1. I just wonder how small size can be achieved in succeeding boots in the same machine. Puppy is not really a hard-disk-bound distro, so it needs to be light after shedding off some unneeded drivers (for repeated use in the same machine). Say, if I have 3 different PCs, can I boot one after another and expect Puppy to create a hardware profile, then I can rebuild/trim theinitrd.gz (or sfs) based on this profile? |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
BarryK
Puppy Master Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 6855 Location: Perth, Western Australia |
In theory, yes. _________________ http://bkhome.org/blog2/ |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
otropogo
Guest |
So where is it? When I go to the URL the page says "alpha 4", and the iso is alpha 4, not alpha 5. |
||||||||||||
|
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
Lobster
Official Crustacean Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm |
When you click on Alpha 5 it takes you here Index of /pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/test/puppy-4.1alpha5 download this file puppy-4.0.5-seamonkey.iso 29-Jul-2008 21:00 92M _________________ Puppy WIKI |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
otropogo
Guest |
Jeesh! Why not just post the link or the URL to the download page? distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/test/puppy-4.1alpha5/ (my apologies to other would be downloaders, although I tried for at least ten minutes, I can't figure out how to create a URL link on this system - you'll have to copy and paste) Not being on the right wavelength, I clicked on: "Where do I find out about the Alpha Release? * Forum thread∞ * Developers Blog∞ * The iso's are available here" Pretty dumb eh? Looking for the latest alpha release in the alpha release directory. I had the silly idea that all alphas are experimental and recommemded for testers only. Maybe we need a new label, like "pre-alpha" or "proto-alpha"!. |
||||||||||||
|
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
Sit Heel Speak
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 2595 Location: downwind |
I am delighted to report that 4.1-alpha-5, with the scsi-1 kernel for my Adaptec scsi adapter, assigns drives their letters in what I recognize as "correct" order, speaking as a Gentoo user. That is, sda is the first true scsi drive, then after the scsi drives are done the ata drives get their letters, and finally the removeable usb stick. Display order in PMount is still not quite right though. Screen capture They should be displayed in PMount in correct sort order as: sda --> the Quantum Atlas V 9 WLS scsi drive with 3 partitions sdb --> the Quantum Atlas V 9 WLS scsi drive with 2 partitions sdc --> the Quantum Atlas V 18 WLS scsi drive with 2 partitions sdd --> the WDC WD102BA ATA drive with 3 partitions sde --> the Samsung SV4002H ATA drive with 3 partitions Now to see if a full install to an scsi drive will boot... |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
edoc
 Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 3937 Location: Southeast Georgia, USA |
Is this ready to test on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-28 where I have been struggling with USB and PCMCIA? Or is the work on that part, which I have read about elsewhere in Puppy-land, still underway? _________________ Thanks! David Home page: http://nevils-station.com Don't google Search! http://duckduckgo.com Multiple computers - currently running Puppy Exprimo ver. 5x15 |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
Sit Heel Speak
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 2595 Location: downwind |
I am thrilled to report that booting the full install on sda2 (first scsi drive, 2nd partition)...with BIOS setup boot order told to boot the first ata disk first...i.e. from grub menu.lst on the first ata drive (sdd1)...works. However, Grub's conventions as to how drives are numbered are a bit puzzling. First ata drive is hd0, as you would expect, but second ata drive is hd5, which is doubly strange since there are only five drives present and so you would think the numbering would top out at hd4. First scsi drive is hd1. (note: when installing, choose "Internal (IDE or SATA) hard drive" as the media that you want to install Puppy to, even though it's really an SCSI hard drive) Now let's see if I can make it boot this full install from a grub menu.lst residing on the same scsi drive as the Puppy 4.1-alpha-5 Puppy full install...with BIOS setup told to boot the first scsi drive first, and the adapter's own BIOS told to allow it... Last edited by Sit Heel Speak on Thu 31 Jul 2008, 22:59; edited 1 time in total |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
Sit Heel Speak
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 2595 Location: downwind |
I am dancing on popcorn clouds buttered with sunshine to report that... The Age of Puppy Linux Booting Natively On SCSI has finally arrived. If in BIOS Setup I make the first scsi disk the first boot device...grub installed to the first scsi disk's mbr (installing to the root superblock didn't work)...grub installed to /dev/sda (i.e. menu.lst on sda1)...the actual full install to which the menu.lst entry points, can be on any scsi disk with a Linux partition. When booting with scsi disk as the first boot device, unlike in the above test, the boot disk is (in the grub menu lines) hd0. I won't test it, but would presume that a frugal install on scsi can be started this way too. ***Allelujah!!!*** And now, suddenly I have enough disk space to go test a few more puplets... |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
Sage
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: GB |
Genius lurks in many, but few are able to unlock it! Well done. Would be a good idea to revisit norte3's thread and provide some additional detail. Somewhere, I outlined some of the aspects of setting up the drive jumpers, etc on scsi kit. Any comments on access speed? Incidentally, this thread is becoming confused with the bugs thread again. |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila |
Sage:
So maybe add "features" to the title, to make this a discussion of 4.1alpha5 features. I guess that with flash devices now in wide usage, that Puppy can be flash-device centric (in contrast to being CD-centric). Maybe these points will help clarify: - Using a live CD (in a single-CD PC) and not wanting to touch the hard disk, Puppy has to load itself to RAM so that the CD drive can be used. This increases the RAM requirement, and at times causes an embarrassing crippled Puppy (when the available RAM gets exhausted). Copying the sfs to RAM also lengthens the boot time. - Flash devices can function as virtual hard disk, especially in USB2-equipped PCs. In fact, experience in the eeePC shows that the external SD/USB/flash interface can be faster than the inbuilt flash storage. In alpha5, Unipup's (4.1's) design is to include all drivers (?) in the Puppy sfs, and I noted that the boot device is always mounted regardless of RAM size (my tests did not go over 512 MB RAM). However, performance is still snappy in 600-800 mhz Celerons. Of course, for people who may want to use smaller sfs (with cutdown drivers or less applications), the remastering tool is always available. _________________ Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? Get the sfs (English only). |
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
otropogo
Guest |
IMO It doesn't make much sense to talk exclusively about new features when so many old "features" don't work reliably, (or at all).
There are other, arguably more important, reasons for loading Puppy entirely into RAM, AND for keeping that minimum RAM requirement small, than freeing up the CD/DVD drive. 1. support for machines with limited RAM, particularly older laptops 2. speed of operation 3. battery life on laptops As system requirements increase, more experienced users will see less and less reason to stay with Puppy instead of switching to more mainstream distributions, such as Xubuntu. And with them will go much of the support for the beginners. And how significant a factor is any potential shortening of boot-up time in the greater scheme of things? I mean, what fraction of your daily Puppy time will be saved by any conceivable shortening of boot-up?
Especially?? How many potential Puppy users do you think will have internal (non-USB) flash drives? And the other question is: how long will those flash cards last when being written to constantly like a mechanical drive? And unless I've missed some recent announcement, booting from pcmcia-based flash (or network, or scsi),even with a floppy boot disk, is still just a fond wish in Puppy land.
So you take a distro distinguished by its ease of use for beginners and by its ability to run reasonably well on trailing edge systems low on speed, memory, and storage. Then you gear it towards the power users equipped with significantly greater hardware resources and vastly greater computing skills, and tell the beginners with their minimal machines to "roll your own" (and on what, I wonder, since they probably won't be able to boot Puppy in the first place?). What's left? Just another unremarkable nerdy distro in a field of dozens.. |
||||||||||||
|
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
Alpha 5 of Puppy 4.1
| Page 1 of 3 [31 Posts] | Goto page: 1, 2, 3 Next |
|
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
|
Forum index » Taking the Puppy out for a walk » Announcements |
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum You cannot attach files in this forum You can download files in this forum |
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group