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Lobster · Last edited by Lobster on Mon 13 Oct 2008, 12:23; edited 9 times in total

4.2 Meeting
Time - here

Record of meeting
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categorycommunity/deep-thought-meetings

Agenda
This is a preliminary virtual 'meeting' for 4.2

Wish list

Proposed Co-op organisation

Using Sourceforge

Progress on other versions of Puppy

Proposed Chairperson and secretary

My input:

Goals for 4.2
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categorycommunity/puppy-42-deep-thought

* Update the 'P' series programs and utils, eg. Petch
* Use of default webpage
* Puppy 'included software' upgrades eg. Mtpaint
* Easy puppy apps access, eg.a single bz2 file or on sourceforge
* Improved eye candy as available eg from Zigbert
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=239092#239092

Organisation and structure
Stay loose. Find consensus.
The next version of Puppy I hope to be working towards is 4.2 'Deep Thought'

Puppy Linux Community
http://puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categorycommunity/puppy-community
Structure ideas - the cooperative model
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=237502#237502
Trusted Developers (SourceForge)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=221691#221691

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

Perhaps it is 4.12? Barry has mentioned his intention to create 4.2 many times already. If 4.10 gets updated for last-minute problems, then 4.11 will be released.

Just my 0.02c. Smile

NathanO · Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 193 Location: San Antonio, TX

Got a date, time, 'place' in mind for the 'meeting' yet?

NathanO

Dingo · Posted: Thu 09 Oct 2008, 18:26 Post subject:

do you have vector source (svg, eps or other) of this?

I have much pleasure to print as cover of my CD containing puppy

Lobster · Posted: Fri 10 Oct 2008, 02:01 Post subject:

tronkel · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 1058 Location: Vienna Austria

IMHO a full version could only realistically be produced by Barry himself, or his appointed successor. No-one else has the full skill-set to be able produce a full version with all the under-the-hood programming and strucural understanding of the Puppy system that would be necessary. No such successor has been either approved or appointed by Barry. An appropriate successor who is willing or able to undertake the task may well not even exist.

Under these circumstances, the next Puppy version can/should only be called 4.1CE. (unless Barry himself (or his successor)) decides to make a 4.2 version. Could use "Deep Thought" as the project name though.

disciple · Posted: Fri 10 Oct 2008, 03:58 Post subject:

Puppy CEs increment a number, which would make it 4.2 or 4.3, depending on whether Barry makes 4.2 Smile

Is it time to start seriously testing Seamonkey 2 even though it is in alpha (5 days ago)?

ttuuxxx · Posted: Fri 10 Oct 2008, 05:28 Post subject:

Hey guys

people have been e-mailing me to take over, 3 series, I do have a unused account at http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ttuuxxx/
I would say that I would put the hard effort into it,
I would like to see it released as a official "puppy Linux" 3 series.
Plus I would like some restraints remove, Well we know that slackware takes about an extra 20MB plus if I include Amigos addon to make it even better compatible That boost it up another 5mb, I need some room to work, I was thinking a max of 120MB.

Well you can shoot me down if you want, But look at i liket this is, I would be out of the series 4&5.

I would hope that bigbass and few other hard-liners of Slackware would join in also.
ttuuxxx

Lobster · Posted: Fri 10 Oct 2008, 06:05 Post subject:

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

With version 4.1 and Barry's announcement of semi-retirement (plus other influences), we are approaching kernel tweaking capability among Puppy developers. This will allow different developers to adapt a "core" Puppy to specific machines.

4.2 will see this new level of development being used.

To illustrate, if Barry crafts a version 4.2 for the baby laptops, then the community can use the new core and tweak it for optimal use in other machines. This could be the pattern:

Senior developer does pioneering work -> Community crafts an updated puppy core -> Developers tweak the kernel for target machine/s -> Puplet makers combine the core with chosen features and applications for their target users

The community will, in effect, pick up the pieces from pioneering work by various individuals (Barry, MU, and others) and fashion an updated "core" usable by kernel-tweakers and then by puplet-makers for their target users.

In ttuuxxx's post above, he is essentially describing this process, but for the 3.x series.

Lobster · Posted: Sun 12 Oct 2008, 23:46 Post subject:

Good luck with the 3 series Ttuuxx
Dingo have sent you a pm about the graphic . . .

Does this mean 4.11 (4.1 with patches) or Unipup can be the base of 4.2?
Is Barry putting 4.2 together on the basis of any priorities we as a community manage to agree on?
Raffy are you willing to put a future Puppy together?

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

Barry is already forging ahead with UniPup, so I guess the 4 series is moving forward very well.

Ttuuxxx has committed to coordinating the 3 series (possibly together with Tronkel, who is still working on 3.02.)

Big_Bass, Amigo and others have something up their sleeves - expect something new for the 2 series very soon. (Don't forget MU who is flexing his kernel compiling muscles for SMP. Smile

)

While the pioneers are enjoying themselves with the innovations, I guess I can help by organizing the information somewhere, like a "development news" page: either at (1) puppylinux.org or at (2) sourceforge.net. (I will see what I can do this week.)

At the moment, using sourceforge.net as development repository should receive high priority. Our two youthful developers, Pizzasgood and cb88, are on top of it, and other developers could help by following the discussion: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=238926#238926

puppyluvr · Posted: Mon 13 Oct 2008, 02:42 Post subject:

Ttuuxxx,
Good, Im glad to see the 3 series revived. IMO the best Puppy yet, for Pup makers..If I miss the thread somehow, plz send me a link, as I want to help if I can..even if just testing...
In Barrys blog he has stated that 4.02 will be his last release, so I think the "number is taken"...

Lobster · Posted: Mon 13 Oct 2008, 03:03 Post subject: Re: moving ahead

ttuuxxx · Posted: Mon 13 Oct 2008, 05:36 Post subject: Re: moving ahead