FirePup v0.04.3 released nov12/08

[01micko]

Updated with a 2MB smaller compressed version, same pugins just lighter and a bit faster. Some say "ttuuxxx, your experimental firepup runs like a rocket, on this old thing.. "
ttuuxxx

Who would have said that? ( )

... and it was in an "spup" built from "woof".. hehe... which does increase peformance of the whole machine dramatically, kernel 2.6.27.9, so it is a different ke(rnel)ttle of fish!

[tectron]

Awesome, Thanks.

Steve

[wosifat]

I may have missed it somewhere, but has it been divulged how to get Firepup and Firefox coexisting?
And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

[mikeb]

And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

Non

Well I stuck with firefox 1.5 cos it seemed the bast compromise between compatability, speed , size and stability ... only blob is a weird incompatability between it and flash 9 and gtk 2.8 but that doesn't affects puppies 2.10 to 2.17.

firefox 1 is a bit behind on web standards, 2 behaves ok once tamed but a bit bloaty, 3 should be better but still beta quality on linux.

just my 2 p worth

mike

[ttuuxxx]

I may have missed it somewhere, but has it been divulged how to get Firepup and Firefox coexisting?
And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

you might want to try icecat which is Gnu version of firefox Thats the easiest way of having them both running, but its nowhere near the spped of Firepup.
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... tuuxxx.pet
ttuuxxx

[wosifat]

And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

Non

Well I stuck with firefox 1.5 cos it seemed the bast compromise between compatability, speed , size and stability ... only blob is a weird incompatability between it and flash 9 and gtk 2.8 but that doesn't affects puppies 2.10 to 2.17.

firefox 1 is a bit behind on web standards, 2 behaves ok once tamed but a bit bloaty, 3 should be better but still beta quality on linux.

just my 2 p worth

mike

My biggest problem with Firefox 1 is that I can't display chat and notifications in Facebook (and I've gotten hooked on Facebook.) 3 crashes too much. Any tips on taming 2?

[ttuuxxx]

Try this version of firefox, it comes with flash also.
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... irefox.pet
it has semi-automatic updates, Its up to you if you want to update or not, but as series 2 went, 2.0 was unstable on p[uppy about mid way around 2.10 it was stable. Then the speed started dropping off, with each release.
ttuuxxx

[mikeb]

Any tips on taming 2?

disable the anti dodgy site list building which can become huge...

flash block seems worth having generally.

I use cache set to zero.

More generally I noticed firefox on deviantart has a huge memory leak problem ( not to mention 300k of javascript) Sites like that, facebook, myspace etc do not help with stability issues...write and complain....show them readouts from validation/speed optimization sites...do a dance

I don't like the later firefox's anyway ... just blame the lodger...I want new followed by...why does it crash?

ok time to skip off

mike

[mikeb]

Ttuuxxx ....can firefox be compiled using the standard puppy devx setup and is it relatively straight forward?

MIke

[ttuuxxx]

Ttuuxxx ....can firefox be compiled using the standard puppy devx setup and is it relatively straight forward?

MIke

well FF1,ff2 series yes easy, ff3 you need the libpng release I posted on here like 10 times, lol with apng (animated png) then go to the mozilla site and they have examples how to configure FF, It would save around 3MB compressed if you configure it properly. A usual configure script will have about 15-20 different --enable, --disable, etc
hope that helps
ttuuxxx

[mikeb]

Thanks for the info ttuuxxx....

Mike

[mikeb]

Well I made a gtk1 firefox 1.5 which runs just fine........the poo is that flash 9 crashes it I assume cos it wants gtk2 libs.. I noticed qt as an option....opera style eh.
There's also Xlib ?


mike

[Subito Piano]

Ttuuxxx - new smaller version of Firepup seems to work great -- and none of the problems with Google Docs? Nice....

Say, do you have a page with ALL your pets/pups/sfs's that you have built all listed in one place? I'd LOVE to see that....

[telboy]

hey tuxx your firepup sucks

when on ebay i clicked a link to change page prefences it tried to download a dll file !!!!!


in my opinion it also has a conflict between transmission program and the fire pup it doesnt seem to let go of the bandwidth when closed transmission !!!! it was down to 7 k a sec !!!!!

it slows day by day

i thought people said this was good its crap

why dont you put ecofox in the repositery?

this server is the doggies bollox

it works

tuxx sucks
oh yeah and you managed to stuff to word processor aswell
why dont you go work for microsoft it seems your as good as them

your are putting folk off using your server which also puts folk of using linux cos your firepup its no good !! it sucks tuxx

[techtype]

@Ttuuxxx,

Do me a big favor --- do not read the post above this. I know you want to, but don't do it. If you already have read it, delete it from your mind immediately. Thanks!

[Subito Piano]

telboy -- sorry you are having problems and ppl are always glad to help around here. But that's the point: the puppy forums are a place to get help and give help, not for flaming others. If you poke around here awhile, you'll notice people are generally friendly and they respect each other even when they don't agree. If you want to use Firepup, state your issue and request help. If you hate Firepup, then don't use it...obviously others think it's great. If you choose instead to be rude, you're the one who looks bad.

[ecomoney]

Hi All

I actually know "telboy", he is a local guy in my area trying to pay his rent by getting cheap laptops of ebay, repairing them, loading puppy and selling them on. He spoke to me the other day and he was absolutely furious he has received bad feedback on his ebay account because the wordprocessor on the computers he sold doesnt work with M$ word created documents on 4.2. Also the people he sold to cannot work their ebay/facebook/sites they use etc because there is no easy way of installing a full featured web browser (or a "working" word processor) from the install icon on the desktop. Ive mentioned this many times before, to no avail.

Telboy is just a normal computer user, trying to make a few bucks in the recession, or just simply get their just computers "working", there must be a whole load that dont post. I believe Iv tried everything myself to get through, so my standard line now is "if you have a problem dont get onto me about it, go on the puppy forum and talk to a guy called Ttuxxx...hes the one that programmed the things that dont work now". I agree his tone isnt particularly helpful, but its a lot less than people have been saying to me in person. I can understand why hes "vented off" here too. The buggy 4.2 has been up for three weeks now and I can imagine the frustration it has been causing around the world.

All I hope for is that developers really start listening to what end users want to do from their computer systems. Maybe that requires salaries...

[ttuuxxx]

Well All I can say is that, FirePup works better, runs faster, looks better than any 2&3 series Firefox on any default 4 series release. I'm talking out of the box official puppy, not upgrading libs etc. And I'm 100% sure that ecomoney has something to do with that users 1 and only post on puppy. For a new user to know everything that I've done in the past 3+months and make a post that includes that work and only joined yesterday, thats a tall order. Nice try ecomoney, maybe a admin could ban his IP, If so I wonder If yours will get banned too
ttuuxxx

[mikeb]

I actually know "telboy", he is a local guy in my area trying to pay his rent by getting cheap laptops of ebay, repairing them, loading puppy and selling them on.

Puppy is a work in progress hobby linux...that's a realistic opinion...great if you don't mind getting yer hand's dirty...If he want to do things in a business manner he should choose suse or ubuntu or debian etc.

M$ word created documents on 4.2. Also the people he sold to cannot work their ebay/facebook/sites

the microsoft connection is strong there...moving the goalposts to try to hamper free software is a well known M$ trick....the linux challenge is to keep up with these ( unecessary) changes. By the way ebay works fine on me old firefox 1.5. The main stability problem centers around a closed source flash plugin from a corporation with close m$ ties. There is a strong principle behind using open source but that comes with sacrafices...Joe public doesn't know or care about that in which case I give them a safe and cut down version of windows that will last more than 10 minutes...linux is offered to those who take an interest rather than sold as a free 100% windows compatible system.

if you have a problem dont get onto me about it, go on the puppy forum and talk to a guy called Ttuxxx

I don't see any reason why this is getting so personal. Have a go at Barry ... he's made some stunning bloopers. Ttuuxx dedicates much time and effort , in particular towards the brower problems which are NOT his fault...he is simply trying to find a solution. Helpful feedback is a major key to results.

My findings so far (involving many recompiles of firefox and flash 9) is that one particular instability is greatly affected by the window manager used....kde gave stable performance, xfce repeatable crash, jwm very unstable..got any suggestions? But don't worry this does not apply to the current puppy releases...tricky eh.

Back to my first comment...Puppy's stong point is that is works....it's harware support seems better than many of the big distros and thats what takes many peoples interest including mine. Software is not it's forte..Barry simply packs in what he can to show what linux can do and in a small space with a fast core that can run happily of a usb flash drive ...compromise city. Including open office and all the rest of the microsoft licking bloat would simply ruin the whole concept...the user can always make his own mini ubuntu puppy if he/she feels the need.

mike

[James C]

I've not been on the forum for long but I've been using Puppy for a while and IMO Firepup is the best overall browser, for Puppy. I've tried Firefox 2 series and 3 series, Opera, Dillo, Netsurf , Seamonkey and Skipstone.....your experience may differ from mine. I appreciate all the work that Ttuuxxx has put into Firepup as well as Puppy, as well the work of everyone who has contributed to Puppy as a whole.
Now to stray from the subject a bit, when was the ideal of Puppy changed to" must work for Ecomoney and his customers/clients "? Also, if someone is wanting to sell computers with an operating system installed, any operating system, you might want to TEST first. No version of any Linux I've seen will work on every computer, no browser will work on every web site.....there are just too many variations in both the operating systems and computer hardware involved.
It's simple, if something doesn't work on your equipment........try something else!!!!!!!!If you find an operating system, be it Windows or Linux that will work perfectly on all computer equipment out of the box, post back and let me know......I'm still searching for that one.