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I've seen a thread kicking around about a year ago, that described someones difficulty with installating thunar-volman.

The threads dissapeared. But i can't remember when the problems are with trying to get this working.

If i remember is was puppy's lack of HAL support.

Anyway, I'm very tempted to take on a project to get thunar-volman working in puppy with XFCE. I've heard it would be difficult, but i'm not scared.

I need advice as to what the problems are? Why puppy never took on a vfs?

Thanks,

n4l

If you search on thunar volman with the link in my sig, you'll find quite some hits.

Ok,

I've found the thread and it's the only thread that mentions volman.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 20&t=26014

I wouldn't be raising a post on the 'cutting edge' part of this forum, if i didn't need advice for this.

I need to know:
why was hal not put into puppy in the first place? When hotpup was created was it not considered at the time? In fairness i'm not sure a XFCE vfs may have been around at the time.

I assuem the hal daemon is like any daemon and can be started just before WM startup?

Can anybody see any reasons why getting thunar-volman to work will be impossible in puppy?

Thanks,

n4l

Was playing with xfce-4.4.2.sfs last night in puppy410 and couldn't get thunar to start. Kept getting a dbus missing error (or similar).
The desktop and everything else seemed ok. Oh yea...no "menu" in the menu bar. It also wouldn't let me add one.

Trapster, sounds like you need to do a restart and get the sfs to load on restart.

OK guys, here's my problem.

I've taken wow's hal and libvolume_id from his gnome.sfs package and compiled it into my puplet.

to start hal i need to start two daemons, rc.messagebus and rc.hald. rc.messagebus starts dbus daemon (although i have a feeling XFCE is already doing this for me).
works fine when i run it from the prompt and the prompt returns.
When i write rc.messagebus start in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. It also starts fine at startup.

BUT

from the prompt says 'hald --daemon=yes' under my prompt, but the prompt does not return. The daemon is started ok.

This maybe normal for a rc. script to not return to the prompt, but i'm not sure it is.

When i put in my rc.d/rc.local file, at startup the startup hangs....
I am guessing that it is waiting for rc.hald to return.

Does anybody know why this is happening?

n4l[/code]

nutts4life wrote:When i put

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rc.hald start

in my rc.d/rc.local file, at startup the startup hangs....
I am guessing that it is waiting for rc.hald to return.

Does anybody know why this is happening?

n4l[/code]

Perhaps dbus and hal are incomplete or have missing files. But don't worry about that, there're some easier ways (backup your pup_save file!!!!!):

1. Download and install Muppy 008.4c (final release) it has dbus, hal and udev. Now launch gslapt and install thunar from slackware repos.

2. Keep using that gnome.sfs. Now try to compile thunar volman from sources again.

3. Add the haldaemon user and group then download dbus, dbus-glib, hal and udev from http://packages.slackware.it/ run tgz2pet to install them. Copy or move rc.messagebus, rc.hald and rc.udev from /etc/rc.d/ to /etc/init.d, rc.messagebus must run before hal and hald before udev. Rename to 01xxx 02xxx 03xxx to start them in order. Disable puppy event manager if you have installed Puppy 4.1 to avoid conflicts with udev. Now Reboot the computer. Udev and HAL (from slackware) might require even more groups, use the addgroup command to fix it.


Good luck.

wow,

your a genius and an encouragement.

I think i understand more.
So do you think your libraries etc from gnome.sfs will not work?

I noticed last night that i hadn't put udev in there and i did that, along with the rc.udev. I haven't tested it since though.

How do I disable the puppy event manager?
I don't much about the puppy event manager, I assuem this was what Barry K wrote instaed of udev?

I've already compiled thunar volman. It doesn't need to need any hal or udev libraries, it just needs to know they are there.

I'm hoping that thunar will not need to be re-compiled as thunar-volman is an extension, not part of the thunar release.

n4l.

Ok,

It's been a while, but here's what i have done:

I've upgraded by puplet to 4.1.1 so i have udev now.

I've recompiled hal.

I've now installed hal and thunar volman on my puplet.

when i run rc.dbus start from /etc/rc.d it starts fine and of course dbus-deamon is already running.

When i run rc.udev it fails saying it can't find /root/.udev. This only occurs if there is a udevd already running (which 4.1.1 does automatically).
When i run rc.hald start is starts as normal, but again does not return to the command prompt.

I disables all the options in the puppy event manager ui (except the automatic loading of modules).

My rc.local looks like:
rc.messagebus start
rc.hald start

# rc.udevd. No need to start this as this is done in rc.sysinit.

And restarted. It still crashed on startup and i have to re-install.

All haldeamon users and groups are in place

I don't really want to use slackware libs as i don't understand why this shouldn't work.

Any ideas?

n4l

Try to remove "pup_event_backend_d" and "udevd" from /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, then start udev from slackware's rc.udev. Don't forget to stop those services at shutdown.

nutts4life wrote:I've seen a thread kicking around about a year ago, that described someones difficulty with installating thunar-volman.

The threads dissapeared. But i can't remember when the problems are with trying to get this working.

If i remember is was puppy's lack of HAL support.

Anyway, I'm very tempted to take on a project to get thunar-volman working in puppy with XFCE. I've heard it would be difficult, but i'm not scared.

I need advice as to what the problems are? Why puppy never took on a vfs?

Thanks,

n4l

Just did a search for that thread using firefup's built in murga search and came up with a lot of pages, more than that missing thread is in there.
http://www.google.com/search?q=thunar-v ... com/puppy/

ttuuxxx

thunar-volman
install????